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Saints Would be Making a Mistake Taking A’Shawn Robinson
Posted on 3/16/16 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 3/16/16 at 12:02 pm
Some guy from Big Easy Believer weighs in. I agree with his POV.
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Robinson will be an excellent run stuffer immediately, and if he can improve his pass rush moves, he could be one of the best defensive players in the NFL someday.
Key word in that paragraph: “if”.
Here’s why drafting him at #12 could be a mistake for the Saints: because Robinson is considered a “one-trick pony” by many observers, who feel that not only has he benefited from being a part of Alabama’s elite program, but will also be exposed in the NFL for a limited skill set.
Robinson tires easily, and is NOT a 3-down player. On top of that as noted above, he is not much of a pass rusher; and with the Saints needing a DT that can be equally adept at getting after the QB as much he can be at stuffing the run, then A’Shawn would seem to be the wrong choice — at least at #12, anyway.
One thing that this Draft class offers is a lot of depth at the DT position.
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Posted on 3/16/16 at 12:03 pm to L.A.
Parts of that ring true.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 12:10 pm to L.A.
PFF has him on his 10 most overrated prospects list:
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I think a lot of people overrate him a bit because he fricked LSU's world up. I wouldn't hate the pick but I'd prefer a DT that can get after the QB. That looks to be Rankins. Bring back Kevin Williams on a cheap deal for the other DT spot. He looked pretty solid against the run last season.
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A’Shawn Robinson, DT, Alabama
Robinson may very well be a fine player, and he graded out highly last season against the run, but you don’t need his combine numbers to know that Robinson doesn’t have the juice to be a top interior rusher. There’s little explosion off the ball and he graded out right around average last season, collecting a paltry 23 total pressures on 357 rushes . How much is a one-dimensional run-stuffing base end worth right now in the NFL? The Chiefs’ Jaye Howard is a comparable player from a production standpoint and he just got a two-year, $10 million deal. That doesn’t scream first-round player to me.
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I think a lot of people overrate him a bit because he fricked LSU's world up. I wouldn't hate the pick but I'd prefer a DT that can get after the QB. That looks to be Rankins. Bring back Kevin Williams on a cheap deal for the other DT spot. He looked pretty solid against the run last season.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 12:24 pm to Hoodoo Man
What Whodat isn't leery of a defensive tackles in the 1st Round? Sedrick Ellis, Johnathan Sullivan, and Shawn Knight is a lotta fail.
I like Billings and Rankins cuz they are much more proven as penetrators. Even better, I see about 5 DTs who could end up as good that might be available at #47
I like Billings and Rankins cuz they are much more proven as penetrators. Even better, I see about 5 DTs who could end up as good that might be available at #47
Posted on 3/16/16 at 12:29 pm to Hoodoo Man
quote:Kind of agree. Don't we need freaks on the edge? I'm happy with Jenkins and Williams. Is Kevin Williams still on the team?
Parts of that ring true.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 12:31 pm to The Sad Banana
quote:UFA, pondering retirement.
Is Kevin Williams still on the team?
Posted on 3/16/16 at 12:38 pm to blueslover
Even the Saints best DT I have ever seen was a flop with the team that drafted him.
Glover failed in Oakland back before Al ran that team into the ground. He exploded when he got here. DT's are tough to gauge and develop and we do not have a good DL coach to help nurture a talent to get the most out of them...they either develop themselves(Smith, Jordan, Grant) or their growth stops/regresses.
Take the guy most ready to play right away with the better overall skill set. At 12 take Rankins if we go DT.
Glover failed in Oakland back before Al ran that team into the ground. He exploded when he got here. DT's are tough to gauge and develop and we do not have a good DL coach to help nurture a talent to get the most out of them...they either develop themselves(Smith, Jordan, Grant) or their growth stops/regresses.
Take the guy most ready to play right away with the better overall skill set. At 12 take Rankins if we go DT.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 12:41 pm to L.A.
Th dude absolutely WRECKED SHOP on our O-line the entire game, at 320 pounds he even hurdled entirely over our snapper to block a kick. Don't overthink this...the dude will be legit and a stud! Now picking him at 12 is the million dollar question, beings this draft class is SO DEEP at DT and a true pass rusher may be a better option there...but don't get it twisted the guy is a beast!
Posted on 3/16/16 at 12:44 pm to L.A.
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he could be one of the best defensive players in the NFL someday.
Could this dude ride the fence anymore?
Can't respect opinions like this
Posted on 3/16/16 at 12:46 pm to L.A.
I'd rather take someone else at #12. We could really use his run defense, but there are some damn good DT's in the 2nd round. As of right now, I want Shaq Lawson at #12. If we go DT at #12...I'd take Rankins. We could also trade back and get Billings as well.
This post was edited on 3/16/16 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 3/16/16 at 12:46 pm to Lester Earl
well i ain't riding fence, i don't think A'Shawn will be bad per se but i don't think he's very great at all. Was very unimpressed with some highlights, doesn't explode off of blocks, kind of just sits and waits and gets off blocks with a back is already 3 yards down field.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 12:51 pm to LSUperior
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Th dude absolutely WRECKED SHOP on our O-line the entire game
I don't think there are many people that do not believe he will a good player. I think the issue with him is you do not get a consistent player. Naturally he played well against LSU, these 2 teams get up for this game and lately they both are typically coming off of a bye week to prepare. The Saints cannot spend the #12th pick on a situation player that won't put in the work every week.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 12:54 pm to Chad504boy
You wrote that?
Posted on 3/16/16 at 12:56 pm to Lester Earl
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You wrote that?
nah, i haven't made it in life like that yet.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 12:58 pm to Lester Earl
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he could be one of the best defensive players in the NFL someday.
Could this dude ride the fence anymore?
Can't respect opinions like this
I think you're misreading the quote. He's acknowledging that the draft is a crap shoot and Robinson MAY develop beyond what he (the writer) currently believes will be the case. But the writer is clear and unequivocal that drafting Robinson would be a mistake. He's not riding the fence.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 12:59 pm to L.A.
I agree that a DT that can only play 2 downs is not worth the #12 pick.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 1:15 pm to partywiththelombardi
quote:This is how I feel.
Take the guy most ready to play right away with the better overall skill set. At 12 take Rankins if we go DT
Are we gonna rely on Bill Johnson to turn a run stuffer into a pass rusher?
I don't.
Go for a consistent pass rusher that already has the moves.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 1:24 pm to L.A.
I always worry about guys who are part of elite units. You can't help but wonder how much of a star they really are individually. And since our defensive line is hardly an Elite unit, it matter more for us than most.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 1:33 pm to Laaz2750
quote:I think that's a legit concern with Robinson. He played next to another 1st round DT in Jarran Reed and in front of a 1st round MLB in Reggie Ragland. Compare his supporting cast to that of guys like Rankins or Billings or Butler.
I always worry about guys who are part of elite units. You can't help but wonder how much of a star they really are individually. And since our defensive line is hardly an Elite unit, it matter more for us than most.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 1:34 pm to L.A.
I realize my opinion will not be taken seriously because I'm a gump but Robinson is not really a one trick pony. He gets into the backfield more than just about any DT his size and he can play all three downs. He is a freak athlete for his size and is also pretty polished.
He definitely can improve some but he's an elite, first round talent.
I do think Reed would be the better fit for the Saints if we're talking gumps, tho
I'd also probably wait until round two and get one of the DTs who graded out just below and concentrate on another edge rusher at 12.
He definitely can improve some but he's an elite, first round talent.
I do think Reed would be the better fit for the Saints if we're talking gumps, tho
I'd also probably wait until round two and get one of the DTs who graded out just below and concentrate on another edge rusher at 12.
This post was edited on 3/16/16 at 1:37 pm
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