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re: Saints rank #12 in drafting from 1996-2015
Posted on 3/12/17 at 4:19 pm to bonethug0108
Posted on 3/12/17 at 4:19 pm to bonethug0108
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Meachem had 32 starts for us, so he didn't hit the 40 but came close.
Robinson started 33 games, so he didn't hit the 40 but was close also.
Your homerism is so blinding that you are arguing that PRob was a draft day success? You got awful finicky about counting the last 2 years, but no issue stretching guys with 30 starts over a six year career? Prob sucked and meach was a role player. Don't be a squirrel.
And my "bullshite" stats come from a study done by datascope analytics.
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Posted on 3/12/17 at 4:24 pm to Vacherie Saint
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Your homerism is so blinding that you are arguing that PRob was a draft day success? You got awful finicky about counting the last 2 years, but no issue stretching guys with 30 starts over a six year career? Prob sucked and meach was a role player. Don't be a squirrel.
Meachem played a significant role for us, he was basically our younger Devery. Also, he was usually in the 3 receiver sets and played in nearly 6 full seasons for the Saints. Patrick Robinson, that argument can go either way. Saints should have stuck with him longer, he improved, albeit slowly, over the years and we released him. He was a solid player for the Chargers.
ETA: Not saying he was as good as Devery
This post was edited on 3/12/17 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 3/12/17 at 4:25 pm to Vacherie Saint
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And my "bullshite" stats come from a study done by datascope analytics
You should try watching the games instead. Does your retarded datascope analytics knock a NT b/c he doesn't get a lot of sacks?
Posted on 3/12/17 at 4:30 pm to windshieldman
Context is important here and much of what you are arguing is subjective. It's not enough to say we've only had 2 disastrous picks in the top 2 under SP. You are counting on those picks to start, and on average they do about 80% of the time.
We will have to disagree on guys like usama young, prob, sed Ellis, and meach. They may have started games, as many high picks are allowed to do, but at best they washed out or became role players in the nfl. Anthony looks to be well on his way to bustville and kikaha cant stay healthy. Our defensive picks have been especially bad under payton.
And trading away high picks is part of the problem as well. This team has gone from "win now" to long term roster building and back again so many times.
We will have to disagree on guys like usama young, prob, sed Ellis, and meach. They may have started games, as many high picks are allowed to do, but at best they washed out or became role players in the nfl. Anthony looks to be well on his way to bustville and kikaha cant stay healthy. Our defensive picks have been especially bad under payton.
And trading away high picks is part of the problem as well. This team has gone from "win now" to long term roster building and back again so many times.
Posted on 3/12/17 at 4:33 pm to windshieldman
My "retarded" datascope analytics only measures the success of a draft pick in terms of starts. It doesnt get into subjective bullshite like "prob wouldn't have sucked if we would have given him more time".
Posted on 3/12/17 at 4:34 pm to Vacherie Saint
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Context is important here and much of what you are arguing is subjective. It's not enough to say we've only had 2 disastrous picks in the top 2 under SP. You are counting on those picks to start, and on average they do about 80% of the time.
We will have to disagree on guys like usama young, prob, sed Ellis, and meach. They may have started games, as many high picks are allowed to do, but at best they washed out or became role players in the nfl. Anthony looks to be well on his way to bustville and kikaha cant stay healthy. Our defensive picks have been especially bad under payton.
This topic has been posted on this board and another I shall not name many times of different studies about draft success. Everyone one of them have put the Saints in the top half of the league. And every time people come on here and argue it.
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And trading away high picks is part of the problem as well. This team has gone from "win now" to long term roster building and back again so many times.
I agree
Posted on 3/12/17 at 4:37 pm to Vacherie Saint
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My "retarded" datascope analytics only measures the success of a draft pick in terms of starts. It doesnt get into subjective bull shite like "prob wouldn't have sucked if we would have given him more time".
Well does it include a 3rd receiver and nickel corner as a starter? B/c basically they are. Meachem played and received starter # of plays in way more than 40 games for the Saints.
Posted on 3/12/17 at 4:37 pm to windshieldman
Stop, take a breath, and read my posts in this thread.
We are below par in rounds 1 and 2, and lights out from rounds 3-7. Hence, we are top half overall.
Meachem had roughly 32 starts in 6 years for the saints and wasn't drafted in round 1 to be a 3rd or 4th reciever.
We are below par in rounds 1 and 2, and lights out from rounds 3-7. Hence, we are top half overall.
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in way more than 40 games for the Saints
Meachem had roughly 32 starts in 6 years for the saints and wasn't drafted in round 1 to be a 3rd or 4th reciever.
This post was edited on 3/12/17 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 3/12/17 at 4:39 pm to Vacherie Saint
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Stop, take a breath, and read my posts in this thread.
Like I've said, this topic has been beat in the ground here over the years. It doesn't matter, we'll agree to disagree.
Posted on 3/12/17 at 4:42 pm to Vacherie Saint
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Meachem had roughly 32 starts in 6 years for the saints and wasn't drafted in round 1 to be a 3rd or 4th reciever.
Sounds good, you're knocking 2 draft picks that were picked towards the end of the 1st round and discounting all the others. Again, compared to the rest of the league we are above average, and yea, that's including the first 2 rounds only.
Posted on 3/12/17 at 4:46 pm to windshieldman
Fair point, but we just traded a reciever with close to 3k yards, over 200 catches and 20 tds for a late 1st and third.
We better get this right.
We better get this right.
Posted on 3/12/17 at 5:00 pm to blueslover
surprised to see Denver at 22.
3 Super Bowl wins: 1997, 1998, and 2015.
also won the AFC in 2013.
had more to with free agency in 2013 and 2015 with Peyton Manning and Demarcus Ware for example.
Terrell Davis was a 6th round pick for them in '96. Crazy...
and they also had veteran players on their defense then that were cast offs from other squads.
Romanowski and Neil Smith.
3 Super Bowl wins: 1997, 1998, and 2015.
also won the AFC in 2013.
had more to with free agency in 2013 and 2015 with Peyton Manning and Demarcus Ware for example.
Terrell Davis was a 6th round pick for them in '96. Crazy...
and they also had veteran players on their defense then that were cast offs from other squads.
Romanowski and Neil Smith.
Posted on 3/12/17 at 5:19 pm to windshieldman
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Well considering most of our picks from 96-05 were horrendous with exception of 1st round which is about on par with what Payton has done.
No, not really
Posted on 3/12/17 at 5:29 pm to Lester Earl
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No, not really
I didn't word it right. 96-05 wasn't all that bad of 1st round picks, most of the rest from 2nd round on were bad in that time period.
Posted on 3/12/17 at 11:20 pm to MSH
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MSH
Why?? Is this a problem?????
I was an English major!!!!!!!
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