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Saints Drafts since 2011
Posted on 5/25/17 at 10:17 am
Posted on 5/25/17 at 10:17 am
A while back I presented a study that showed the Saints in the upper third of draft quality scores over a twenty year period. Those who follow, know that it was right around 2011 when there was a distinct downturn in quality results. Of course we are hoping 2016 was the beginning of a better era. Here's a chart of just plain number of draftees retained by teams. The Saints still aren't so bad- better than the glorified Pats. I think one of the greatest ignorances of the common fan is understanding how low the success rate of draftees are.
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Posted on 5/25/17 at 10:40 am to blueslover
Good post, but I feel straight retention rates doesn't account for several factors, such as trading players for picks and what round each pick was in (if you have fewer high picks and more low picks the odds are your retention rate will be low).
For instance we got a pick for Stills, Graham, and Cooks. How does that factor in here with straight retention rates? It's hard to do.
We also had no pick until the third in 2012, which greatly lowered the odds of retaining players (we also got a player that's still on the team for that third rounder).
2014 was a horrible draft outside of Cooks, but we did get a first for him and only had one other high round pick (which was a huge bust; perhaps by far the biggest of the Payton era).
2015 is when the turnaround actually started, and we still have players that are good or could be good so it isn't time to call that one yet (after this year we can).
For instance we got a pick for Stills, Graham, and Cooks. How does that factor in here with straight retention rates? It's hard to do.
We also had no pick until the third in 2012, which greatly lowered the odds of retaining players (we also got a player that's still on the team for that third rounder).
2014 was a horrible draft outside of Cooks, but we did get a first for him and only had one other high round pick (which was a huge bust; perhaps by far the biggest of the Payton era).
2015 is when the turnaround actually started, and we still have players that are good or could be good so it isn't time to call that one yet (after this year we can).
Posted on 5/25/17 at 10:40 am to blueslover
and sometimes shedding players sooner rather than later is the best decision you can make.
Posted on 5/25/17 at 10:42 am to Chad504boy
Especially if you get picks for them.
Posted on 5/25/17 at 11:47 am to blueslover
2014 draft looked good
Posted on 5/25/17 at 3:08 pm to jeff5891
certainly not a comprehensive end all stat but do think it reflects what we know- that '11 to '14 were overall pretty weak.
Was thinking on these years... corresponded to the rise of Ryan Pace in the organization, then his departure after 2014. He was pro personnel but still a thought. He hasn't impressed me as the Bears GM thus far. His future there is prolly on the line with Trubisky.
Was thinking on these years... corresponded to the rise of Ryan Pace in the organization, then his departure after 2014. He was pro personnel but still a thought. He hasn't impressed me as the Bears GM thus far. His future there is prolly on the line with Trubisky.
Posted on 5/25/17 at 3:59 pm to Chad504boy
quote:
and sometimes shedding players sooner rather than later is the best decision you can make.
ya for well managed teams like New England. but that hasnt been the case for us
money and lack of talent have forced trades for some of our best players.
Posted on 5/25/17 at 4:04 pm to Lester Earl
The retention stat can also be misleading. The salary cap has forced teams to build in the draft rather than free agency. There is no way of knowing whether late round pick retention by the Saints is a result of being pleased with the performance of the picks, or having to retain the lower structured contracts over signing a veteran player.
Posted on 5/25/17 at 4:54 pm to blueslover
I see 4 pro bowlers in our draft this year, minimum
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