Run Game Fix: Play Calling?

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there was a difference in the way he finished runs and Robinson finished runs last Sunday.

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Robinson has a quicker burst with power.

I'd like to see him get many more carries.

The Saints are not built for run blocking they are built for pass blocking

Ingram is a physical back. He needs the ball 20 to 25 times to be effective. He may average 2 to 3 yards per play for the first 18 to 20 plays then he's going to break two to five for long runs. That will never happen in this offense.

I've always said this about Payton, for how creative he is in the passing game, he couldn't be more unimaginative in the run game. I'd say 85-90% of our runs are always out of straight I formation. With the threat of Brees passing why we don't run more out of 3-4 wide blows my mind. Draws, counters, etc.

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Robinson has more power, which is better for breaking through early defenders.
Ingram has better shiftiness, which is great once he is at the second level.

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I feel like it's the other way around. I feel like Robinson is more like Pierre Thomas in that he can find a way to spin or shift so that he can make something out of very little. Ingram, on the other hand, is less nimble in his agility and he's more of a straight line, contact and fall type of runner.

Is that completely insane? I feel like Robinson is a hybrid of Pierre Thomas and a little Chris Ivory.

Robinson is much more elusive than Ingram. Khiry's like a faster, more athletic, Pierre.

I remember Ingram in the beginning when he first showed up. I loved him because his energy was always so great. He'd hop up after a tackle with a jump, ready for another carry. Always excited for another shot. He'd lay the wood on folks; he was the try to run people over type. His energy, work ethic, and lack of locker-room antics must be what keeps him around, at the least.

What I've seen so far this season when he runs is a wall without a hole, him falling forward for a hard two yards. But when there's a hole, and he can get to the second level, he shows that subtle shiftiness and the lowers-head-runs-you-over characteristics that he is worth keeping for. I said at one point, "THAT'S the Ingram I knew!" I think Ingram is a back who we just need to make at least one hole/cut for. And now that he's settled in, his demeanor is going to be a little more reserved I think. He won't have the rookie excitement.

Robinson reminds me very much of Ingram in the beginning. Extremely excited and he'll go lay the wood. He is a little thinner and slightly quicker, though they do both have at least some touch of elusiveness. I'd compare him to a harder-hitting Pierre before Ingram if I had to choose. Some characteristics of both. I like Robinson; and when he was given the ball last week, it was more in the second half when our blocking showed up better, don't forget that. Same with Ingram: his carries got better, but in the second half.

I think it's the blocking. We get our backs to the second level, we have a nice double tandem. But Ingram is our starter as of yet, and if we start our run game slow as hell like we have been doing, well...Ingram won't look nearly as good on paper, if not in reality.

Give them the same blocking and we'll be able to say for sure who is the better hoss, I think.

Agreed, robinson can create, ingram cant. Pretty much sums up who the better back is

CSP believes the run sets up the screen pass.