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PFF on Cameron Jordan
Posted on 10/18/12 at 8:38 am
Posted on 10/18/12 at 8:38 am
they were reviewing players in their second season
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Defensive end Cameron Jordan is leading all 4-3 defensive ends in Run Stop Percentage at 10.5%.
With a solid MLB and this guy it amplifies the OLB weakness all the more with the number of runs broken off to the outside. Jordan is the type of DE that may make All Pro without ever having double digit sacks. Good progress by him this year.
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Defensive end Cameron Jordan is leading all 4-3 defensive ends in Run Stop Percentage at 10.5%.
With a solid MLB and this guy it amplifies the OLB weakness all the more with the number of runs broken off to the outside. Jordan is the type of DE that may make All Pro without ever having double digit sacks. Good progress by him this year.
This post was edited on 10/18/12 at 8:46 am
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Posted on 10/18/12 at 8:39 am to blueslover
is Hawthorne back this week?
Posted on 10/18/12 at 8:41 am to blueslover
When I clicked the link I got this
Posted on 10/18/12 at 8:46 am to thedogman
fixed, hangover glue in my paste cup this morning
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not disappointed in Jordan but here's some DE news sure to stir up some...
Defensive Rookie of the Year so far, who ya got? I'd say the most favored right now is NE DE Chandler Jones. How'd they get that guy? Uh, the Mark Ingram pick they got from us (plus a 3rd rder to move up).
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not disappointed in Jordan but here's some DE news sure to stir up some...
Defensive Rookie of the Year so far, who ya got? I'd say the most favored right now is NE DE Chandler Jones. How'd they get that guy? Uh, the Mark Ingram pick they got from us (plus a 3rd rder to move up).
This post was edited on 10/18/12 at 9:14 am
Posted on 10/18/12 at 9:20 am to blueslover
but this board says he sucks because he doesn't have 10 sacks....I am so confused!!!
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:32 am to BilJ
Not saying he sucks but his overall rating is still negative on PFF because of his horrid pass rushing this year.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:39 am to blurr
quote:idgaf what pff says about his run stopping. He does not pass the eyeball test at DE.
his overall rating is still negative on PFF because of his horrid pass rushing this year
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:09 am to SJS Eagle 85
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idgaf what pff says about his run stopping. He does not pass the eyeball test at DE.
Man you guys sure are harsh on Jordan when. even while he's doing very well (relatively on this defense), you're blame has got to be at the OLBs when Shanle and Herring are in. They have no business being starters. I wouldn't mind them as backups to spell the starters, but the only reason they are there now is Bc of injuries and lack of other talent
Posted on 10/18/12 at 12:41 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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Shanle and Herring
quote:Completely agree and that has no bearing on whether or not Jordan is any good.
They have no business being starters
All of negative talk about Jordan is very similar to the comments people used to make about Charles Grant. "If he can't get to the QB then move his slow, fat arse inside" and "He's really good against the run". But at least Grant was good for 5 or 6 sacks a year.
The best thing you can say about Jordan is that he doesn't get blown off the line of scrimmage and he can string a blocker out to the sidelines. And that's really good to have that half of your job description fulfilled.
But you can't be considered a good DE today if you can't get to the QB and he just hasn't shown the speed and set of skills required. Under two different DCs he's only produced a sack a piece we can't blame it on scheme. He's big, slow,and his only pass rushing move is the bull rush. He's a DT yall.
I just wish people would stop making excuses for players who underperform and just call a duck a duck.
This post was edited on 10/18/12 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 10/18/12 at 12:44 pm to SJS Eagle 85
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All of negative talk about Jordan is very similar to the comments people used to make about Charles Grant. "If he can't get to the QB then move his slow, fat arse inside" and "He's really good against the run". But at least Grant was good for 5 or 6 sacks a year.
grant 17 sacks 1st 2 years
Posted on 10/18/12 at 1:04 pm to Chad504boy
Bottom line, he is built for a 3-4 DE not a 4-3.
That was his position coming out of college and it still is...
That said, he has shown a lot of improvement from last year, and if Gallete and Tez continue to improve, I like our line going into the future
P.S. I think we should run a 3-4, we have the right personnel, but Spags doesn't run it.
That was his position coming out of college and it still is...
That said, he has shown a lot of improvement from last year, and if Gallete and Tez continue to improve, I like our line going into the future
P.S. I think we should run a 3-4, we have the right personnel, but Spags doesn't run it.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 1:05 pm to whodat912
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P.S. I think we should run a 3-4, we have the right personnel, but Spags doesn't run it.
we'd need 2 MLB's in order to pull that off.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 1:12 pm to Chad504boy
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we'd need 2 MLB's in order to pull that off.
Like Jonathon Vilma and Curtis Lofton??
Posted on 10/18/12 at 1:13 pm to blueslover
What makes you guys think he was drafted as a pass rushing DE? It's the same goddamn thing as the Mark Ingram diatribe I have to read everyday on this board. Jordan wasn't really known as a definitive pass rusher coming out of Cal...16.5 sacks in 51 games.
My point is, the Saints should be criticized for not drafting the right player. Don't criticize Jordan for not being the player he isn't skilled to be. And don't blame Mark Ingram for not rushing for 100 yards a game when the Saints might run it 15 times a game and can't run block for shite, and run the same goddamn play for Ingram everytime they call his number.
My point is, the Saints should be criticized for not drafting the right player. Don't criticize Jordan for not being the player he isn't skilled to be. And don't blame Mark Ingram for not rushing for 100 yards a game when the Saints might run it 15 times a game and can't run block for shite, and run the same goddamn play for Ingram everytime they call his number.
This post was edited on 10/18/12 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 10/18/12 at 1:13 pm to whodat912
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Like Jonathon Vilma and Curtis Lofton??
damn no shite huh. like its staring us in the face and i missed it.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 1:13 pm to The Sad Banana
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And don't blame Mark Ingram for not rushing for 100 yards a game when the Saints might run it 15 times a game.
2.2 chief.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 1:16 pm to The Sad Banana
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My point is, the Saints should be criticized for not drafting the right player
Agree 100%
Posted on 10/18/12 at 1:20 pm to The Sad Banana
Regardless, I like the Jordan pick a lot. We're not going to have Smith much longer, id bet not after this year, and you can't roll with Wilson and Galette as your ends because teams will run on you all day. Jordan provides some beef.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 1:22 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
He ain't terrible at rushing the passer either.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 1:28 pm to Patrick O Rly
I just wish the Saints could disrupt the opposing offense's pass attack regularly.
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