A look at the Tight End situation with and without Jimmy

Without really thinking about it:

2014: 149/86/983
2013: 150/107/1310
2012: 135/85/982
2011: 149/102/1183
2010: 142/99/1215
2009: 122/88/947
2008: 125/75/889
2007: 101/85/700

Ha, well, the participation part failed miserably so I may as well just update....

If history holds we should be just fine.

What's pretty amazing is despite the fact that Jimmy had 46 TDs from 2011-14 where as TEs all together from 07-10 had 22 (5 of those were Graham's in 10), we have still never finished lower than 4th in passing TDs.

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I think you need to list the TDs. By your own admission, you're cherry picking statistics to favor your argument. Losing those extra red zone TDs with Graham gone is going to be massive and it will be noticed.

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I will, the original thread was meant to be a try and guess the stats thing that flopped horribly, thats why.

ETA: Updated in OP with TDs

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Year: TGT / Rec / YD / TD / % Pass TD/ TOT Pass TD / League Rank

2014: 125 / 85 / 889 / 10 / 30% / 33 / 6th
2013: 142 / 85 / 1215 / 16 / 41% / 39 / 2nd
2012: 135 / 86 / 982 / 9 / 21% / 43 / 1st
2011: 149 / 99 / 1310 / 11 / 24% / 46 / 2nd

2010: 149 / 102 / 983 / 10 / 30% / 33 / 3rd
2009: 122 / 88 / 947 / 5 / 15% / 34 / 1st
2008: 150 / 107 / 1183 / 3 / 9% / 34 / 1st
2007: 101 / 75 / 700 / 4 / 14% / 28 / 9th

While it seems like a huge drop off TD wise, and in terms of %of production from one player it is, however pre Graham we found a way to make up for the production in other areas.

Little harder to gauge given the fact that the league has become more pass happy, but our TD rank has stayed constant before and during. Jimmy is a special talent, but it speaks a lot to Drew's talent and the system.

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What's pretty amazing is despite the fact that Jimmy had 46 TDs from 2011-14 where as TEs all together from 07-10 had 22 (5 of those were Graham's in 10), we have still never finished lower than 4th in passing TDs.

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back when our WR's were much better and younger. And when we had a legit receiving threat(or 2) out of the backfield.

I hate how people compare the situations, because they aren't comparable. Younger Colston, deep threat Devery, do it all Lance Moore. We haven't been able to replace or replicate the roles of these players.

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I hate how people compare the situations, because they aren't comparable. Younger Colston, deep threat Devery, do it all Lance Moore. We haven't been able to replace or replicate the roles of these players.

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First off, what else could you possibly call looking at one era of stats vs another that is anything but a synonym for "comparing"....

At no point did I say "everything will go back to exactly how it was before now because Jimmy is gone!"

Its simply perspective of how we utilized multiple tight ends before we had a superstar. Everyone is concerned one way or the other about who will step up, who has to dominate targets etc etc, yet numbers in the past in terms of TIGHT END targets, receptions, and yards were extremely similar with the likes of names like Billy Martin, Eric Johnson, or even Mark Campbell.

And yeah, we haven't been able to replicate many of the roles you mentioned yet, but this is also the first time we are actually seeing whether or not we have replaced certain aspects. It's too early to say.

We have at least one serious receiving threat out of the backfield . Who knows what could happen with our 7th rounder....

Colston isn't young anymore sure, but we have two guys in Jones and Coleman that have similar builds at least. Coleman being 2 inches taller. A vet in Toon who at least showed promise at year's end.

We definitely have a legit deep threat in a guy like Cooks if we choose to use him in that role more often, with way better hands than Devery. Same with Morgan if he grows up.

"do it all" Lance Moore was a practice squad guy year one, NFL Europe for half of year 2, and started 4 games year 3 before breaking into the lineup seriously in year 4.

We don't know what we have, so what is wrong with getting perspective on how we achieved success in different ways and hoping that the trend can continue given the same coach and qb?

Guy had a whopping 5 catches in 09 ha