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Mingo, Jarvis Jones, &...
Posted on 11/6/12 at 9:53 am
Posted on 11/6/12 at 9:53 am
The projected deluxe 3-4 pass rushing LBs have become a premium commodity. There's always some discussion of which ones can work there or as a 4-3 DE just a well. Mingo & Jones are the solid names at the top that look to be taken in the first half of Round 1.
#3 on that category for me is solidifying in Tx AM's Damontre Moore. Scout him this week versus Alabama if you are watching. (Tx AM OLB Sean Porter looks top 3 at that position also) Here's some on him for your perusal-
Moore is a complete linebacker that may be as or more prepared than anyone else at playing in the NFL right away.
Moore’s frame is ideal for the 3-4 outside linebacker spot at 6’4? 250 pounds. That size is also just a tad shy of what I would consider good for a 4-3 right end (260 pounds). He doesn’t appear to have the longest arms in the class, but that certainly isn’t a deal breaker. He doesn’t have Mingo’s speed, Jones’ fluidity around the edge, Jordan’s coverage ability, or Ansah’s burst.. but he combines an all-around skillset to form a very polished pass rushing skillset.
I sit here bragging about Jarvis Jones and acknowledging Mingo’s raw talent, but the fact is that Moore leads all defensive players in the SEC with 9.5 sacks. That’s more than Jones’ and Mingo’s totals combined.
Stats never tell the whole story with draft prospects, they usually serve as no more than a prologue. However, the fact that Moore has been consistently performing at a high level in the best conference against some very talented teams has to count for something. I still think Jones is the better prospect, but I have Moore ahead of Mingo.
Moore’s intelligence, technique, and strength are all very refined and fit the archetype of a top 20 pick. He is a player, much like Chandler Jones last year, who can come in on day one and solidify one of the outside linebacker positions in a 3-4 and work in a rotation for a 4-3 defense while he bulks up. He will never be the most athletic guy on the field, but he’ll make up for it with his strength at sealing the edge and his ability to keep offensive lineman at bay with his hands.
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10/23/12 - Week 8 Rewind: While LSU's more celebrated pass rushers were largely held in check in this contest, Texas A&M's top defender, junior defensive end Damontre Moore, used the high profile contest to pad his increasingly hard-to-ignore résumé. Moore (pictured above chasing LSU QB Zach Mettenberger) entered this contest leading the FBS in tackles for a defensive lineman (52) as well as sacks (8.5) from an SEC defensive lineman. Perhaps even more impressive, Moore led the Aggies in tackles, tackles for loss (15) and sacks. Prior to suffering an apparent left leg injury midway through the second quarter, Moore led an Aggies' defense that had largely dominated the LSU offense. The hyper-active 6-4, 250 pound Moore registered three tackles, including a sack and a pass broken up early in this contest and showcased his versatility while doing it, alternating between left and right defensive end, as well as looping inside to rush up the middle and even dropping off occasionally into coverage on zone blitzes. He consistently applied pressure to Mettenberger but also showed terrific effort in pursuit, beating Tigers' backs to the edge and closing on receivers from behind yards downfield. - Rob Rang, NFLDraftScout.com
2011 (SOPHOMORE)
Was fourth on the team in tackles with 72 stops, including 41 solo hits … saw action in 12 games with 10 starts at "joker" … was the top tackler down the stretch with at least six tackles in the final six games of the regular season, including 12-tackle games against Kansas State and Texas … was second on the team behind Sean Porter in sacks (8.5/50) ... Led the team in tackles for losses (17.5/70) … had five sacks in the final three games of the regular season, including a pair against Kansas State and Kansas … had a team-best four forced fumbles and also recovered a fumble.
2010 (FRESHMAN)
Earned Freshman All-Big 12 honors from ESPN.com after serving as Butkus Award winner Von Miller's backup at the Aggies' "joker" … turned in an impressive stat line of 40 tackles, including 5.5 QB sacks, and also contributed an interception and a team-high three forced fumbles … was named National Defensive Performer of the Week by the College Football Performance Awards after coming off the bench to make a season-high seven tackles, including two QB sacks and another tackle for loss of yardage in the Aggies 48-16 win over Louisiana Tech … Moore also forced three fumbles and recovered one against the Bulldogs.
HIGH SCHOOL
Coached by Kiff Hardin at Rowlett High School ... an honorable mention all-state selection by The Associated Press as a senior (2009) ... was a first-team all-area honoree by The Dallas Morning News after recording 66 tackles, six sacks and two safeties ... earned all-America honors from Max Emfinger and was a SuperPrep Southwest Team pick ... chose Texas A&M over offers from Oklahoma State and Baylor.
PERSONAL
Damontre Moore is the son of Detra Johnson of DeSoto, Texas and Damon Moore … born Sept. 11, 1992 … undecided on a major.
#3 on that category for me is solidifying in Tx AM's Damontre Moore. Scout him this week versus Alabama if you are watching. (Tx AM OLB Sean Porter looks top 3 at that position also) Here's some on him for your perusal-
Moore is a complete linebacker that may be as or more prepared than anyone else at playing in the NFL right away.
Moore’s frame is ideal for the 3-4 outside linebacker spot at 6’4? 250 pounds. That size is also just a tad shy of what I would consider good for a 4-3 right end (260 pounds). He doesn’t appear to have the longest arms in the class, but that certainly isn’t a deal breaker. He doesn’t have Mingo’s speed, Jones’ fluidity around the edge, Jordan’s coverage ability, or Ansah’s burst.. but he combines an all-around skillset to form a very polished pass rushing skillset.
I sit here bragging about Jarvis Jones and acknowledging Mingo’s raw talent, but the fact is that Moore leads all defensive players in the SEC with 9.5 sacks. That’s more than Jones’ and Mingo’s totals combined.
Stats never tell the whole story with draft prospects, they usually serve as no more than a prologue. However, the fact that Moore has been consistently performing at a high level in the best conference against some very talented teams has to count for something. I still think Jones is the better prospect, but I have Moore ahead of Mingo.
Moore’s intelligence, technique, and strength are all very refined and fit the archetype of a top 20 pick. He is a player, much like Chandler Jones last year, who can come in on day one and solidify one of the outside linebacker positions in a 3-4 and work in a rotation for a 4-3 defense while he bulks up. He will never be the most athletic guy on the field, but he’ll make up for it with his strength at sealing the edge and his ability to keep offensive lineman at bay with his hands.
LINK
10/23/12 - Week 8 Rewind: While LSU's more celebrated pass rushers were largely held in check in this contest, Texas A&M's top defender, junior defensive end Damontre Moore, used the high profile contest to pad his increasingly hard-to-ignore résumé. Moore (pictured above chasing LSU QB Zach Mettenberger) entered this contest leading the FBS in tackles for a defensive lineman (52) as well as sacks (8.5) from an SEC defensive lineman. Perhaps even more impressive, Moore led the Aggies in tackles, tackles for loss (15) and sacks. Prior to suffering an apparent left leg injury midway through the second quarter, Moore led an Aggies' defense that had largely dominated the LSU offense. The hyper-active 6-4, 250 pound Moore registered three tackles, including a sack and a pass broken up early in this contest and showcased his versatility while doing it, alternating between left and right defensive end, as well as looping inside to rush up the middle and even dropping off occasionally into coverage on zone blitzes. He consistently applied pressure to Mettenberger but also showed terrific effort in pursuit, beating Tigers' backs to the edge and closing on receivers from behind yards downfield. - Rob Rang, NFLDraftScout.com
2011 (SOPHOMORE)
Was fourth on the team in tackles with 72 stops, including 41 solo hits … saw action in 12 games with 10 starts at "joker" … was the top tackler down the stretch with at least six tackles in the final six games of the regular season, including 12-tackle games against Kansas State and Texas … was second on the team behind Sean Porter in sacks (8.5/50) ... Led the team in tackles for losses (17.5/70) … had five sacks in the final three games of the regular season, including a pair against Kansas State and Kansas … had a team-best four forced fumbles and also recovered a fumble.
2010 (FRESHMAN)
Earned Freshman All-Big 12 honors from ESPN.com after serving as Butkus Award winner Von Miller's backup at the Aggies' "joker" … turned in an impressive stat line of 40 tackles, including 5.5 QB sacks, and also contributed an interception and a team-high three forced fumbles … was named National Defensive Performer of the Week by the College Football Performance Awards after coming off the bench to make a season-high seven tackles, including two QB sacks and another tackle for loss of yardage in the Aggies 48-16 win over Louisiana Tech … Moore also forced three fumbles and recovered one against the Bulldogs.
HIGH SCHOOL
Coached by Kiff Hardin at Rowlett High School ... an honorable mention all-state selection by The Associated Press as a senior (2009) ... was a first-team all-area honoree by The Dallas Morning News after recording 66 tackles, six sacks and two safeties ... earned all-America honors from Max Emfinger and was a SuperPrep Southwest Team pick ... chose Texas A&M over offers from Oklahoma State and Baylor.
PERSONAL
Damontre Moore is the son of Detra Johnson of DeSoto, Texas and Damon Moore … born Sept. 11, 1992 … undecided on a major.
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Posted on 11/6/12 at 9:54 am to blueslover
I'll skip my classes today so I can read this.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 10:07 am to Hoodoo Man
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blues, do you think he will fall to us? You've been high on him for a while now. Along that same line, how do you think he does at the combine? If Mingo comes out, he won't bench a lot, but should run a 4.4-4.5 which will push him up.
ed blues, do you think he will fall to us? You've been high on him for a while now. Along that same line, how do you think he does at the combine? If Mingo comes out, he won't bench a lot, but should run a 4.4-4.5 which will push him up.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 10:25 am to Suntiger
lucky for us I think the defensive front 7 is the strength of this class.
Okay ya got Mingo-Jones-Moore all looking to be first half Round 1.
Surefire traditional 4-3 DEs Montgomery & Werner are the upper end locks at this point.
That's 5 high impact potential DEs. For "falling" it all depends on where the Saints shakeout. A big playoff run finishing 9-7 or 10-6 less likely while under .500 finish might even make one of them probable.
Walter football 2013 mock(10/31) has the Saints at #14 taking him.
Scott Wright (10/27) has the Saints also at #14 and passing on him & going at #19
As said, still a lot of shakeout but he definitely should be on the watchlist radar. I'm pretty big on Sean Porter OLB TxAM at this point too.
Okay ya got Mingo-Jones-Moore all looking to be first half Round 1.
Surefire traditional 4-3 DEs Montgomery & Werner are the upper end locks at this point.
That's 5 high impact potential DEs. For "falling" it all depends on where the Saints shakeout. A big playoff run finishing 9-7 or 10-6 less likely while under .500 finish might even make one of them probable.
Walter football 2013 mock(10/31) has the Saints at #14 taking him.
Scott Wright (10/27) has the Saints also at #14 and passing on him & going at #19
As said, still a lot of shakeout but he definitely should be on the watchlist radar. I'm pretty big on Sean Porter OLB TxAM at this point too.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 10:30 am to Hoodoo Man
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I'll skip my classes today so I can read this.
Posted on 11/7/12 at 7:58 am to whodatfan
bump in case anyone is skipping class today. After the Denver game everyone was revved about who our Top 5 pick was gonna be. Win one and that's gone I guess. Barring a big run we're hoping for it still should be a significantly better pick than our recent first picks at #89, 24, & 32. We're still in the top ten as things stand now.
This post was edited on 11/7/12 at 8:10 am
Posted on 11/7/12 at 12:15 pm to blueslover
Considering the kind of SDE we have in Jordan who can hold down the force and be the run-stopping power, I would love to get someone like Moore. I don't care what the LSU homers say or what the analysts will say after Mingo destroys the combine, Moore is a better football player.
He's thicker, plays with better leverage, looks to have a MUCH stronger lower body against the run and you could make the argument that he's a more polished passrusher whereas Mingo gets by on his freakish speed and athletic ability.
I would love to take Moore and I absolutely believe he'll be available when we pick. Like you mentioned, this draft is DEs galore.
Good call on Porter as well. All that kid is is a player, plain and simple. He will go somewhere and have a long, productive stint in the league. I have no doubt about that.
He's thicker, plays with better leverage, looks to have a MUCH stronger lower body against the run and you could make the argument that he's a more polished passrusher whereas Mingo gets by on his freakish speed and athletic ability.
I would love to take Moore and I absolutely believe he'll be available when we pick. Like you mentioned, this draft is DEs galore.
Good call on Porter as well. All that kid is is a player, plain and simple. He will go somewhere and have a long, productive stint in the league. I have no doubt about that.
Posted on 11/7/12 at 12:20 pm to Hoodoo Man
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I'll skip my classes today so I can read this.
I have it bookmarked to read later. Probably Christmas break.
I love the draft talk Blues, but its November and the season aint over yet.
Posted on 11/7/12 at 12:34 pm to Hoodoo Man
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I'll skip my classes today so I can read this.
Posted on 11/7/12 at 2:00 pm to blueslover
Can we just put an early claim on Clowney?
Seriously though, I dont want Mingo. There needs to be some actual production to go along with all of that talent we keep hearing about. I heard Kiper saying he was already falling down draft boards and wanted to see him make some plays in the Bama game against that relatively weak pass protecting oline. That didn't happen. He's the 3rd best DE on LSU right now, imo.
I'd love to replace Will Smith with Montgmomery or the DE from FSU, who seems to be climbing.
Seriously though, I dont want Mingo. There needs to be some actual production to go along with all of that talent we keep hearing about. I heard Kiper saying he was already falling down draft boards and wanted to see him make some plays in the Bama game against that relatively weak pass protecting oline. That didn't happen. He's the 3rd best DE on LSU right now, imo.
I'd love to replace Will Smith with Montgmomery or the DE from FSU, who seems to be climbing.
This post was edited on 11/7/12 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 11/9/12 at 10:32 am to eyeran
I think we end up with Jarvis Jones or Sonic Sam. Can you imagine if #99 ends up in Black and Gold? 
Posted on 11/9/12 at 10:44 am to HeadCoach
draft watch this weekend-
Georgia OLB Jarvis Jones (Junior) and Auburn DE Corey Lemonier (Junior)
As both Jones and Lemonier play defense they obviously will not go up against each other, but you can be sure that NFL scouts will be watching this game closely to see how two of the better pass rushers in the country perform. Jones has been on the lips on nearly every scout I have spoken with as potentially the first defensive player drafted in the 2013 Draft. After a breakout 2011 season, Jones has been even better this year wreaking havoc on offenses. He not only has an explosive first step, but makes it look easy beating the offensive tackle around the corner. He also can change directions in a flash to beat tackle with fast secondary pass rush moves, both inside and outside. Lemonier is similarly athletic and is also a quick twitch athlete who can change directions fast and has an explosive burst to finish play. While he has not been as dominant as Jones this season, scouts feel that he is similar athletically and has the potential to be as good as Jones in time. This game will provide scouts a great chance to compare and contrast two of the best under-sized pass rushers in the country and also see how they handle playing the run. If Lemonier steps up and makes a bigger impact than Jones, he could put himself in position to be a top fifteen pick in the Draft.
Texas A&M DE Damontre Moore (Junior) against Alabama OT D.J. Fluker (Junior)
Although they will not go head to head on every snap, scouts will be excited to see them when they do. Making an impact from everywhere he lines up, Moore’s quickness off the ball enables him to gain positional advantage against pass blocker. Not only quick off the ball, but also possessing the agility to change directions fast and explosiveness to burst in the other direction, Moore can defeat pass blocker inside and around the corner. While Moore has shown the strength to be an effective power player, battling again Fluker will be an excellent test. Moore needs to prove to NFL teams that he can handle playing against the strong pass blocker in the NFL to prove he can play down as a defensive end in a 43 scheme as some view him as only a 34 outside linebacker prospect right now. Thickly built and powerful, Fluker’s playing strength allows him to stop “bull rushers” in their tracks, to turn and seal his man out of the play on straight ahead run blocks and to collapse man down the line on side/angle blocks. For Fluker, his success in this matchup is vital because he needs to prove to NFL teams that he has the foot quickness and athleticism to handle playing left tackle at the NFL. Numerous scouts have told us they believe he has just adequate feet for a left tackle and will have to play on the right side, so he no doubt has a lot to prove. Both Moore and Fluker are juniors, so their performances could well shape if they choose to come out early for the 2013 NFL Draft.
Georgia OLB Jarvis Jones (Junior) and Auburn DE Corey Lemonier (Junior)
As both Jones and Lemonier play defense they obviously will not go up against each other, but you can be sure that NFL scouts will be watching this game closely to see how two of the better pass rushers in the country perform. Jones has been on the lips on nearly every scout I have spoken with as potentially the first defensive player drafted in the 2013 Draft. After a breakout 2011 season, Jones has been even better this year wreaking havoc on offenses. He not only has an explosive first step, but makes it look easy beating the offensive tackle around the corner. He also can change directions in a flash to beat tackle with fast secondary pass rush moves, both inside and outside. Lemonier is similarly athletic and is also a quick twitch athlete who can change directions fast and has an explosive burst to finish play. While he has not been as dominant as Jones this season, scouts feel that he is similar athletically and has the potential to be as good as Jones in time. This game will provide scouts a great chance to compare and contrast two of the best under-sized pass rushers in the country and also see how they handle playing the run. If Lemonier steps up and makes a bigger impact than Jones, he could put himself in position to be a top fifteen pick in the Draft.
Texas A&M DE Damontre Moore (Junior) against Alabama OT D.J. Fluker (Junior)
Although they will not go head to head on every snap, scouts will be excited to see them when they do. Making an impact from everywhere he lines up, Moore’s quickness off the ball enables him to gain positional advantage against pass blocker. Not only quick off the ball, but also possessing the agility to change directions fast and explosiveness to burst in the other direction, Moore can defeat pass blocker inside and around the corner. While Moore has shown the strength to be an effective power player, battling again Fluker will be an excellent test. Moore needs to prove to NFL teams that he can handle playing against the strong pass blocker in the NFL to prove he can play down as a defensive end in a 43 scheme as some view him as only a 34 outside linebacker prospect right now. Thickly built and powerful, Fluker’s playing strength allows him to stop “bull rushers” in their tracks, to turn and seal his man out of the play on straight ahead run blocks and to collapse man down the line on side/angle blocks. For Fluker, his success in this matchup is vital because he needs to prove to NFL teams that he has the foot quickness and athleticism to handle playing left tackle at the NFL. Numerous scouts have told us they believe he has just adequate feet for a left tackle and will have to play on the right side, so he no doubt has a lot to prove. Both Moore and Fluker are juniors, so their performances could well shape if they choose to come out early for the 2013 NFL Draft.
Posted on 11/9/12 at 10:46 am to blueslover
I saw a mock draft yesterday showing Montgomery to the Saints around the 11th pick.
It's not going to happen but chances are we're going to get a quality DE/OLB in the first.
It's not going to happen but chances are we're going to get a quality DE/OLB in the first.
This post was edited on 11/9/12 at 10:47 am
Posted on 11/9/12 at 11:32 am to Hugo Stiglitz
I want Sam as both a homner pick and i think he is extremely talented and woudl be a godo pick if we don't have a complete embarrasment of a season (10-13 area).
Moore i woulnd't mind i think he has shown solid production.
Don't want Werner. He has put up good nubmer but half his sack came against Murray State, and another against Savanah State.
Moore i woulnd't mind i think he has shown solid production.
Don't want Werner. He has put up good nubmer but half his sack came against Murray State, and another against Savanah State.
Posted on 11/9/12 at 11:45 am to SammyTiger
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It's not going to happen
How so? Saints run? #11 isn't outrageous for SM. #11 teams the past few years have been 7-9 Chiefs Poe, 6-10 Texans Watt, 8-8 Niners Anthony Davis, etc
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