Maybe Bud Dupree and Shane Ray Are Not What Everyone Thinks.....

It's not a secret that Bud isn't an elite pass rusher, YET.

He's rated so high for his versatility and athleticism (and obviously he's no slouch in the pass rushing department either). He's shown signs he can turn into an elite player.

I've long said it would be a huge mistake if we take one of these one dimensional pass rushers early. Too much boom or bust with those types to invest a high pick unless you're damn sure.

I think second round might be better value for that spot (still too early for my tastes but you aren't getting them later than that).

And to hear someone else finally say that these flash pan guys aren't really that good is music to my ears. It's like Jarvis Jones all over again. Stay away from guys that did it with pure athleticism because those are the guys that will get killed with technique in the NFL.

Dupree needs a lot of work on his technique, especially at the point of contact. But he's a freak athlete, and if coaches think they can teach him technique, the sky's the limit. He's absolutely worth a top 15 pick, no matter what that metric says.

Also, that metric had Beasley at 17, Ray at 21, and Dupree at 22. Instead of asking "are Dupree and Ray not what people think", maybe you should ask "is this metric worth a damn".

I want an instant starter, not a project, at 13. Save the projects for later picks and get yourself players that will change the dimensions of this team. Lineman like collins/scherff will make a difference. Receivers like Cooper, white, and Parker will make a difference. Don't settle for pass rushers so early because the top few are taken.

But I do agree with BoneThug about one thing - I don't want one of the one-dimensional guys a la Beasley and Ray, even if they do fall.

It was more pointed at Ray than anything. That guy has bust city written all over him. I'm more mixed on Bud and I'm undecided on Beasley. There was another mocked to us too that I hated but can't remember.

Bud is not a "project" in the traditional sense like Ziggy was a few years ago.

He's already pretty damn good and would probably start over Parys day one. He's "raw" in the sense that his pass rush moves could use some work and he's athletic as frick, which means with some coaching and some time he can become an elite player at his position in a couple years. He's ready to go, IMO at least.

Don't care, Bud Dupree is a more athletic version of Jamie Collins as crazy as that sounds. He's 6-4, 270 lbs and...

40 YARD DASH: 4.56 SEC
VERTICAL JUMP: 42.0 INCH
BROAD JUMP: 138.0 INCH

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I've long said it would be a huge mistake if we take one of these one dimensional pass rushers early.

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I think second round might be better value for that spot

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Stop & think about what you actually saying here. If every organization thought this way, Lawrence Taylor & Demarcus Ware would have had to be passed over by several teams in their respective drafts.

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It's like Jarvis Jones all over again.

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This makes no sense man. So teams should pass over elite talent all because some other team took a player at a similar position in a previous draft & that ended up not panning out? Should the Colts have passed on Andrew Luck with the overall #1 pick because Jamarcus Russell turned out to be a disaster?

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None of this is true about Bud because he's not JUST one of those pure pass rushers like Ray or Beasley.

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I'm sorry but Beasley isn't just a pure pass rusher. I'm guessing due to his speed that people just assume this but he is more than just speed. His ability to change directions allow him to cover in space & unlike a lot pass rushers, he's a even bigger issue if teams run away from him because of his closing speed. People just hear speed & look at sack totals & make the wrong assumptions by doing so.


The draft needs to hurry up & get here. It's making solid posters like you guys post some pretty delirious shite.

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Stay away from guys that did it with pure athleticism because those are the guys that will get killed with technique in the NFL.

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Just because you physically have the ability to do something doesn't mean you can. It's still to he seen Beasleys ability to cover because he was asked to do it very little at Clemson.

Plus he's still a liability against the run.

If I had to grade skill sets it'd be as follows:

Pass Rush:

Beasley > Dupree

Dropping into Coverage:

Dupree > Beasley

Run Support:

Dupree >> Beasley

Athleticism

Dupree > Beasley