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LT is Starting to Scare Me
Posted on 7/10/13 at 10:19 am
Posted on 7/10/13 at 10:19 am
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It's no new development that the New Orleans Saints are looking for an answer at the LT position after 2012 starter Jermon Bushrod signed with the Chicago Bears this offseason, but as we take a step back and regard each team's situation heading into training camp, the battle for the gig in 2013 -- as well as the long-term future at the position -- continue to be dominant storylines for Sean Payton's team.
The incumbent heir to the position is Charles Brown, a 2010 second-round pick. Unfortunately, Brown has been plagued by injuries throughout his NFL career, and this is likely his final chance to make a name for himself. While Brown was a second-rounder in 2010, another competitor -- Jason Smith -- was the second pick overall back in 2009. After a falling out with the club that drafted him (St. Louis), and a somewhat forgettable 2012 campaign with the Jets, Smith is the LT option on the roster with perhaps the highest ceiling. Lastly, there's 2013 third-rounder Terron Armstead. There are high hopes for Armstead, but given that he's making the jump from the FCS level, the Saints may envision him more as their LT of the future than their LT of the present.
To that end, both Brown and Smith have contracts that expire after 2013, so if Armstead is not showing proper development through his rookie campaign, the Saints may be back to the drawing board when the 2014 offseason begins.
I have really high hopes for Armstead - Honestly, I expected him to start this year. I've been reading a few blogs on the guy, and it seems his mechanics aren't the smoothest. This is arguably the most important position on the O-Line (at least for the Saints' scheme) and we're basically flipping a coin to find a starter. Where's Willie Roaf when we need him????
This post was edited on 7/11/13 at 3:41 pm
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Posted on 7/10/13 at 10:22 am to 4thandinches
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This is arguably the most important position on the O-Line (at least for the Saints' scheme)
No, it's not. We have all of our money in interior, because Brees is flustered by pressure up the middle.
Posted on 7/10/13 at 10:36 am to 4thandinches
The LT spot so far this year has given up "zero" sacks.
I'm good so far.
I'm good so far.
Posted on 7/10/13 at 10:44 am to Patrick O Rly
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No, it's not. We have all of our money in interior, because Brees is flustered by pressure up the middle.
That may be true, but call me crazy... if Brees MUST take a hit, I'd rather it be a hit he can see and brace for than one from the blindside. Which usually results in a fumble.
Posted on 7/10/13 at 10:45 am to 4thandinches
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This is arguably the most important position on the O-Line (at least for the Saints' scheme)
uh, it is less important in our scheme than anywhere else
I'm not sure why it would "start" to scare you. Nothing has changed
This post was edited on 7/10/13 at 10:46 am
Posted on 7/10/13 at 10:50 am to 4thandinches
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That may be true, but call me crazy... if Brees MUST take a hit, I'd rather it be a hit he can see and brace for than one from the blindside. Which usually results in a fumble.
If you've ever seen Brees play, you'd know the dude has eyes in the back of his head. He is excellent at moving in the pocket. It's much easier for him to dodge D-Linemen coming from the side than it is coming from the middle.
Posted on 7/10/13 at 10:54 am to 4thandinches
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This is arguably the most important position on the O-Line (at least for the Saints' scheme
Wow dude. Really? Have you ever watched a single Saints/Brees game?
Posted on 7/10/13 at 10:55 am to Hazelnut
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If you've ever seen Brees play, you'd know the dude has eyes in the back of his head. He is excellent at moving in the pocket. It's much easier for him to dodge D-Linemen coming from the side than it is coming from the middle.
Yep. Dude seems to scoot out of the way of those side rushes most of the time. Obviously LT is important for any NFL team, but the middle is very important to us too.
Posted on 7/10/13 at 10:58 am to 4thandinches
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This is arguably the most important position on the O-Line (at least for every team other than the Saints
fify
Posted on 7/10/13 at 10:58 am to Hazelnut
He does not have eyes on the back of his head. I know it's an expression, but he's taken blindside hits before... And they've resulted in turnovers before. LT is more than likely your best pass blocker, no matter which way you slice it; this is a must in that position. I'd rather him be able to keep his eyes downfield then have to look over his shoulder every snap.
It is beginning to scare me because Brown isn't a reliable option, Armstead isn't ready to play, and Smith is an underachieving slacker.
It is beginning to scare me because Brown isn't a reliable option, Armstead isn't ready to play, and Smith is an underachieving slacker.
Posted on 7/10/13 at 10:59 am to 4thandinches
He's so good at presnap reads, and having an internal clock and sensing pressure, that he rarely takes a hit he's not ready for.
He needs good tackle play. I remember we lost the Chiefs game last year because Strief couldn't block anybody.
I think we'll have it. Someone is gonna step up out of those 3. Keep in mine CSP likes to run a lot of screens and will probably reemphasize the running game this year. Last year we were really unimaginative. We'd run on first down, get two yards, run a hard play action on second, and then go 5 wide on third. It was frustrating.
What will slow down an opposing teams pass rush is thinking. With our offensive master mind back, teams aren't going to be able to tee off on us like last year.
He needs good tackle play. I remember we lost the Chiefs game last year because Strief couldn't block anybody.
I think we'll have it. Someone is gonna step up out of those 3. Keep in mine CSP likes to run a lot of screens and will probably reemphasize the running game this year. Last year we were really unimaginative. We'd run on first down, get two yards, run a hard play action on second, and then go 5 wide on third. It was frustrating.
What will slow down an opposing teams pass rush is thinking. With our offensive master mind back, teams aren't going to be able to tee off on us like last year.
Posted on 7/10/13 at 10:59 am to 4thandinches
so we don't want brees getting hit from behind?
Riveting stuff
This hasn't been the case with the Saints in a long long time. It has been arguably our weakest or 2nd weakest
he's greatly improved his ability to not turn the ball over in this situation. He had more fumbles when we had better LT play actually
Riveting stuff
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LT is more than likely your best pass blocker, no matter which way you slice it;
This hasn't been the case with the Saints in a long long time. It has been arguably our weakest or 2nd weakest quote:
but he's taken blindside hits before... And they've resulted in turnovers before.
he's greatly improved his ability to not turn the ball over in this situation. He had more fumbles when we had better LT play actually
This post was edited on 7/10/13 at 11:03 am
Posted on 7/10/13 at 11:00 am to 4thandinches
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Armstead isn't ready to play
Well sh!t. I had high hopes for the kid coach.
Posted on 7/10/13 at 11:04 am to TigerBait1127
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It has been arguably our weakest or 2nd weakest
LOL
Posted on 7/10/13 at 11:05 am to 4thandinches
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Armstead isn't ready to play
Yeah, he text me that the other day. I was like
But then he was like "I'll be ready to play Aug. 8th." and I was like
True story.
Posted on 7/10/13 at 11:07 am to Patrick O Rly
Love your stories.
Posted on 7/10/13 at 11:08 am to Hazelnut
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If you've ever seen Brees play, you'd know the dude has eyes in the back of his head. He is excellent at moving in the pocket. It's much easier for him to dodge D-Linemen coming from the side than it is coming from the middle.
Yeah..if anything, he seems to have less control over the ball when he has pressure burst up the middle when someone blows up the center
Posted on 7/10/13 at 11:11 am to goatmilker
<3
Posted on 7/10/13 at 11:27 am to Patrick O Rly
LT is about a 6 or 7 on my scale of 1 to 10 thinks to worry about.
Posted on 7/10/13 at 12:01 pm to 4thandinches
First of all, nothing has changed since OTAs.
Brown has played well when he isn't injured. And as everyone here agreed, Bushrod was no Willie Roaf.
No. We have a seasoned veteran of our offensive line, a former 2nd overall pick and a rookie competing for a spot. That's better than what's available at OLB and similar to our situation at DT.
You couldn't be more wrong. Brees steps up in the pocket so well that outside lineman like LT & RT do not need to be our best lineman. Our best lineman need to be our guards to keep the pocket from collapsing in the middle and being pushed back into Brees. For an example of why everyone else is right and you are wrong, see the Washington game from last year.
Brown has played well when he isn't injured. And as everyone here agreed, Bushrod was no Willie Roaf.
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we're basically flipping a coin to find a starter.
No. We have a seasoned veteran of our offensive line, a former 2nd overall pick and a rookie competing for a spot. That's better than what's available at OLB and similar to our situation at DT.
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This is arguably the most important position on the O-Line (at least for the Saints' scheme)
You couldn't be more wrong. Brees steps up in the pocket so well that outside lineman like LT & RT do not need to be our best lineman. Our best lineman need to be our guards to keep the pocket from collapsing in the middle and being pushed back into Brees. For an example of why everyone else is right and you are wrong, see the Washington game from last year.
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