our best offensive players have been diamonds in the rough. Poor argument. Colston, Moore, Thomas, Graham, our offensive line.
Brees and Payton make everyone on offense better.
We drafted plenty of defense players. Look at the list i just listed
Posted by Message Lester Earl Loomis got a 5 year extension.... because he is the GM. They are supposed to evaluate talent. Well, the good ones at least.
quote:I've hated where our defense has been for a long time. All I want is a competent defense that doesn't force the offense to score 35 pts every week.
Again, we were arguably the best team in the NFL between 2009-2011. The article you posted was from before this past season. Did you dislike Loomis then? Will you dislike him if we have a defense in the 15-20 range and go 12-4 next season?
but you seem to be giving credit on the hits with our offensive picks to Payton while placing the blame for the misses on defense on Loomis.
quote:It is really painful to look at that horrible list of players.
Charles Grant 1st gave us some good years
James Allen 3rd- bust
Keyou Craver-4th bust
Mel Mitchell- 5th bust
Derrius Gilmore 7th- bust
Jonathan Sullivan-worst pick in Saints history
Cie Grant- 3rd worthless
Melvin Williams -5th did he even make the team?
Will Smith- gave us some good years.
Courtney Watson- 2nd RD huge bust
Rodney Leslie- 5th RD worthless
Colby Bockwoldt- 7th good ST player
Josh BUllucks- 2nd horrible player
Alfred Fincher- 3rd RD horrible player
Jason Jefferson 6th rd dont think made team
Jimmy Verndon-7th didnt make team
Roman Harper- 2nd league average safety, decent pick
Rob Ninkovich-5th good player now
josh LAy 6th didnt make team i believe
Usama Young- 3rd garbage
David Jones -5th garbage
Marvin Mitchell 7th- really good value for what he was
Sed Ellis-1st serviceable, but not what you want out of a top 10 pick
Tracy Porter 2nd- prob 2nd best DEF pick in his era. Injury prone though
Demarrio Pressley- 5th hyped, no production
Malcon Jenkins-1st serviceable, didnt live up to 14th pick status
Chip Vaughn 4th- worthless
STanley Arnoux 4th worthless
Patrick RObinson- 1st serviceable NFL player
Al Woods 4th didnt even make team
Posted by Message Lester Earl Loomis got a 5 year extension.... if Payton retired tomorrow, would you be confident Loomis could restructure this team?
Get a fricking GM that can evaluate talent. Thats way more important than counting beans.
quote:I agree completely. Not to mention Robert Meachem in the first round, resigning Colston before Carl Nicks, I'm not sure what Loomis has done to earn all the Saints fans admiration of him.
I know you've never been a fan of Loomis and i've defended him a lot but I agree with you here.
7 years to put together a decent defense and he's been a total failure. Multiple major scandals.
Not to mention Robert Meachem in the first round,
resigning Colston before Carl Nicks
quote:Well so many other teams were beating his door down weren't they? Come on, we all knew Nicks was the next most important to resign after Brees. Hell, we could have franchised him. Colston wasn't going anywhere, and even if he did, big whoop. Brees makes mediocre WRs look awesome. I've being saying for years now we don't have any real scary WRs that make defensive coordinators worry.
Colston wanted to take a discount. He really didn't want to test the market
I'm not arguing about Robert Meachem. I'm right, I was right in 2006, and everyone knows it. Surely you aren't trying to make an argument that a couple of big games was worth a first round pick.
Well so many other teams were beating his door down weren't they?
Come on, we all knew Nicks was the next most important to resign after Brees. Hell, we could have franchised him.
Colston wasn't going anywhere, and even if he did, big whoop. Brees makes mediocre WRs look awesome. I've being saying for years now we don't have any real scary WRs that make defensive coordinators worry.
I don't think Loomis is all that horrible. I think our defensive draft picks have been shameful, but we can't not give him credit for our offensive talent that has over acheived plus some very good FA pick ups.
I'm on the fence about firing him, but I surely wouldn't have resigned for 5 more years. If I were Benson, Loomis would be on double secret probation right now.