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League may be pushing for a settlement in Graham situation
Posted on 6/22/14 at 11:05 am
Posted on 6/22/14 at 11:05 am
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Posted on 6/22/14 at 12:26 pm to Sophandros
I hate his "articles." It's a lot of speculation dressed up as news.
He really bugged me when he was ranting about the bogus lawsuit against Manziel, saying how it's a disgrace to the court system, and then he starts cracking jokes. Really? Pick one dude.
He really bugged me when he was ranting about the bogus lawsuit against Manziel, saying how it's a disgrace to the court system, and then he starts cracking jokes. Really? Pick one dude.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 12:57 pm to Patrick O Rly
PFT is a good rumor/aggregator site but Florio sucks.
He got all gas baggy with the Evan Mathis prank.
He got all gas baggy with the Evan Mathis prank.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 1:04 pm to jacks40
To Florio's credit, he was among the first in the sports media world to say that bountygate was bullshite.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 2:15 pm to Sophandros
quote:I completely disagree about that one.
The Saints pushed it to the limit two years ago with Drew Brees, losing along the way a grievance that seemed far more winnable than the current one.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 6:48 pm to Sophandros
Sorry, but I don't see a snowballs chance in hell jimmy wins this. The league doesn't want it, it sets a terrible precedent.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 9:51 am to elprez00
Not sure about precedent, it just showcases the fact that the rules for the franchise tag are overdue for a revamp. Anything like that will have to be agreed upon by the NFLPA and the NFL, and that is never fun. 
Posted on 6/23/14 at 10:13 am to elprez00
Mike Detillier seems to think he wins it fwiw.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 10:23 am to Patrick O Rly
If he wins it, I'm 50/50 on us keeping him @12mil/yr.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 10:40 am to Patrick O Rly
quote:That and $5 may get you a cup of coffee.
Mike Detillier seems to think he wins it fwiw.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 10:46 am to htran90
They're going to just use a percentage and set the tag somewhere in the middle.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 11:40 am to Brettesaurus Rex
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They're going to just use a percentage and set the tag somewhere in the middle.
This. He will not, out right, be named a WR. They will say he outperformed the TE tag or was overused in the WR position. He'll be the highest paid TE and will make Mike Wallace/Dwayne Bowe type money. Give me Jimmy over either of those guys anyway.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 12:11 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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They're going to just use a percentage and set the tag somewhere in the middle.
Isn't that where most project a long term deal anyways ($9.2M a year)?
Makes him the highest paid TE and solves the TE vs. WR BS.
I guess it all comes down to how much guaranteed money he's looking for. If it's outrageous, pay whatever comes out of arbitration and decide what to do with him after the season.
This post was edited on 6/23/14 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 6/23/14 at 12:14 pm to adono
The projections are usually based on a 3yr tag projection, ie, would he make if tagged 3 straight years, with the percentage increases.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 4:40 pm to Sophandros
I really hate how the Saints get pegged as the bad guy simply because they are trying to spend salary cap money as wisely as possible. It is there job to win, and there is a limited pool of money to do it with.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 4:45 pm to spike0311
The really dumb thing about it is the Saints are NOT the ones who tagged Graham as a TE. It was the NFL. This is a labor dispute, and the Saints really have nothing to do with it after they tagged him.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 5:18 pm to Patrick O Rly
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The really dumb thing about it is the Saints are NOT the ones who tagged Graham as a TE. It was the NFL. This is a labor dispute, and the Saints really have nothing to do with it after they tagged him.
That's true. What were they suppose to do? Tag him as a WR?
I don't know what's happening in the negotiations; if the team has offered something around $9M on a long term deal and JG isn't satisfied, that's not good.
Other than Brees, have any of the past big contracts worked out?
Posted on 6/23/14 at 5:26 pm to Patrick O Rly
I appreciate that he is the #1 TE, TE, TE, in the game. Best guess; can't see how he wins this. They cut a contract somewhere in the middle, but that is still a hell of a price for a TE. If he can't be satisfied with that, trade him, especially if he is worth two #1s as some have speculated.
Sure Brees got his contract, but has been accomodating restructuring his contract for the team. Does not appear he has accepted the "team" concept yet.
Sure Brees got his contract, but has been accomodating restructuring his contract for the team. Does not appear he has accepted the "team" concept yet.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 7:54 pm to Patrick O Rly
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The really dumb thing about it is the Saints are NOT the ones who tagged Graham as a TE. It was the NFL. This is a labor dispute, and the Saints really have nothing to do with it after they tagged him.
Seems disingenuous. The saints certainly have a vested interest in the outcome of this.
I'm nit privy to what his contract demands were but certainly the Saints tagged him partially bc a 1 year guaranteed top 5 TE deal was cheaper than what he wanted.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 8:06 pm to jacks40
The only thing the Saints decided WAS to tag him, and what designation to use (exclusive, non-exclusive etc.) After that, it was up to the NFL FO to assign a position for the tag. That's what I mean.
Then again, it's not as if the Saints would have tagged him as a WR if it were up to them, but people are acting like it's this bitter showdown between the Saints and Graham, when in reality, it's a labor dispute that's between the NFL and the NFLPA.
From what I've heard, they offered him around 10 million before they tagged him, and Graham's camp wanted more. Of course they knew the WR tag would be 12 mil, and they knew they had a good chance of winning a grievance.
When you think about it, Graham's camp is more responsible for this being drawn out. It's not as if the Saints were low balling him. He would be the highest paid TE in the game if he accepted their offer.
I don't blame Graham for taking this route though. I really don't. It's in his interest too. Yes it's a team sport, but teammates aren't going to be paying your bills for you when you're 10 years removed from the game.
Then again, it's not as if the Saints would have tagged him as a WR if it were up to them, but people are acting like it's this bitter showdown between the Saints and Graham, when in reality, it's a labor dispute that's between the NFL and the NFLPA.
From what I've heard, they offered him around 10 million before they tagged him, and Graham's camp wanted more. Of course they knew the WR tag would be 12 mil, and they knew they had a good chance of winning a grievance.
When you think about it, Graham's camp is more responsible for this being drawn out. It's not as if the Saints were low balling him. He would be the highest paid TE in the game if he accepted their offer.
I don't blame Graham for taking this route though. I really don't. It's in his interest too. Yes it's a team sport, but teammates aren't going to be paying your bills for you when you're 10 years removed from the game.
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