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Kiper Thinks Anthony Barr Could Fall To Us...
Posted on 4/8/14 at 11:52 am
Posted on 4/8/14 at 11:52 am
It's an Insider article but here's the link:
LINK
Also thinks Mosley won't get past Green Bay at 21
I know it's likely just an article to stay busy, but it's another possibility to consider
LINK
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DE Anthony Barr, UCLA
Expectation: Middle of Round 1.
How low could he go? New Orleans at No. 27.
I've dropped him a little on my board after spending more time on his tape, but he's still clearly a first-rounder for me. The ceiling and the instincts on defense are a question, but this is still a very good athlete who can rush the passer.
Also thinks Mosley won't get past Green Bay at 21
I know it's likely just an article to stay busy, but it's another possibility to consider
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 11:53 am
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Posted on 4/8/14 at 11:58 am to GeauxAggie972
Barr at 27 would be one hell of a steal.
There's a good possibility he goes there, but IIRC, they're pretty weak at CB and S. I could just as easily seeing them go Pryor or Dennard if either are there.
ETA: They have a pretty big hole at TE now as well, so I don't think Mosley is a lock there.
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Also thinks Mosley won't get past Green Bay at 21
There's a good possibility he goes there, but IIRC, they're pretty weak at CB and S. I could just as easily seeing them go Pryor or Dennard if either are there.
ETA: They have a pretty big hole at TE now as well, so I don't think Mosley is a lock there.
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:02 pm to mm2316
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There's a good possibility he goes there, but IIRC, they're pretty weak at CB and S
They are stacked in the secondary with good young players
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:11 pm to wildtigercat93
I guess we have different ideas of what "stacked" is. I forgot they re-signed Shields, so they're better at CB than I thought, but Tramon Williams is 31 and on the last year of his deal. They still need safety help.
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Simply put, the Packers need more impact plays from their safety position. Their safeties laid a goose egg in the interception department last season, and even Morgan Burnett was surprisingly invisible in the secondary for a majority of the season.
quote:LINK
Biggest needs: Tight end, safety, defensive tackle.
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Let's start with safety, a position the Packers have largely ignored over the past year. They're looking for a playmaker to fill a crater-sized hole at free safety. Two players who started at safety last season, M.D. Jennings and Jerron McMillian, aren't even on the roster anymore. The Packers let Jennings walk as a restricted free agent and cut McMillian before last season ended.
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:23 pm to mm2316
The Packers need for Safety help is exactly why they're targeting Mosley. He has great cover skills and the ability to crowd the line kinda makes him hybrid LB/SS.
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:24 pm to adono
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The Packers need for Safety help is exactly why they're targeting Mosley. He has great cover skills and the ability to crowd the line kinda makes him hybrid LB/SS.
Wait....what?
Just no
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:35 pm to adono
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The Packers need for Safety help is exactly why they're targeting Mosley.
Their need for an ILB is why they're targeting Mosley. They're pretty bad at that spot. Besides, their Safety hole is more at FS.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:42 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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Wait....what? Just no
Like every team in the league, Packers have to get someone who has cover skills to stay on the field for all 3 downs...this includes hurry-up offenses they'll face.
Mosley has the cover skills and speed to cover most #2 WRs. Mosley was timed at 4.6 in the forty at his Pro Day. Vacaaro is 4.59.
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The stronger, heavier Johnson handled the early downs and was ideal to help plug SEC rushing attacks. Mosley substituted on passing downs and covered open field like a safety.
NFL.COM
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:47 pm to adono
Dude Mosley is not covering ANY WRs. Think about your statement just in divisional play. Their WR2s include Jeffery Tate and Patterson. 3 guy with all pro potential. They need to prepare the anus that is their secondary
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:48 pm to adono
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Mosley has the cover skills and speed to cover most #2 WRs.
I don't know about that, man. Mosley is known for having good coverage skill for a linebacker, but if you have him covering #2 receivers, you're going to have a problem.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 1:08 pm to mm2316
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but if you have him covering #2 receivers, you're going to have a problem.
Can Vaccaro cover most #2 WRs?
Yes. Why can Vacarro cover them but Mosley can't? Is it because of Vacarro's great advantage in speed?
The point to be made is that Mosley's name to fame is his cover skills as a LB. Added to the mix is that he was used in passing plays to cover WRs in the spread and RBs out the backfield or in a split formation.
What role does a Strong Safety play?
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The strong safety tends to be a bit larger and stronger than the free safety. A typical strong safety will weigh about 210 pounds. His job tends to be to play up closer to the line and help out in stopping the other team from running the ball. He is also responsible if players go into motion in the backfield and then go out for passes, for example the running back or fullback or h-back.
Football 101
Posted on 4/8/14 at 1:08 pm to mm2316
Barr isn't falling to 27, and for some stroke of luck he does, he isn't falling to 28.
And if there is one thing I've learned over the past decade of watching the draft is Kiper doesn't know more than the average football fan.
And if there is one thing I've learned over the past decade of watching the draft is Kiper doesn't know more than the average football fan.
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 4/8/14 at 1:18 pm to adono
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Can Vaccaro cover most #2 WRs?
As high as I am on Vaccaro, that's yet to be seen if he can on a consistent basis, and I doubt he will ever be asked to cover the team's #2 WR on a consistent basis. He played so many roles last year that I wouldn't say that I've seen enough of him sticking #2 receivers to say that.
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Yes.
If you're just going to debate among yourself, I'll bow out and let you continue.
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Is it because of Vacarro's great advantage in speed?
Even though you answered yes for me, my post above states different. While I do think Vaccaro is, and will be, superior in pass coverage to Mosley, it isn't because of his speed. No one in the world will argue that speed=coverage ability.
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What role does a Strong Safety play?
Not the same role is an ILB, and I don't need a "Football for Dummies" website to tell me that.
Besides, you're getting so off track from the original point. I said they need help at FS, and you go on to state that they may pick Mosley because of their need at Safety, which is ridiculous. Then, you go on to attempt to explain the similarities in a Strong Safety and an Inside Linebacker to me as if you're my Pop Warner coach, which no one mentioned a Strong Safety.
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 4/8/14 at 1:33 pm to TIGERSby10
quote:First, you are wrong on Kiper. He has some of the best analysis when it comes to players (he and Bushbaum were always the best). Second, the OP message title is completely inaccurate. Nowhere does he say that he thinks Barr could fall to us. The article is about how far a player could fall (i.e. his "worst case" scenario of how far particular players could fall).
Barr isn't falling to 27, and for some stroke of luck he does, he isn't falling to 28. And if there is one thing I've learned over the past decade of watching the draft is Kiper doesn't know more than the average football fan.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 1:49 pm to GeauxAggie972
I see Barr as the Sharrif Floyd of last year's draft.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 1:52 pm to Noplacelikehome
Barr would be an absolute run up bang the table pick at 27. That said, I'd wager a large sum on him lasting that long. Not worth the contemplation.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 1:53 pm to GeauxAggie972
question is, why is he dropping?
might just be something in Kiper's head
might just be something in Kiper's head
Posted on 4/8/14 at 1:57 pm to GeauxAggie972
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Anthony Barr, UCLA
pants already on the ground
my hand is ready
Posted on 4/8/14 at 2:01 pm to Lester Earl
Barr is the 27 rated player in the draft on ESPN.
Fate?
Fate?
Posted on 4/8/14 at 2:06 pm to GeauxAggie972
yeah I'm pretty positive Packers are taking Calvin Pryor or HaHa Clinton-Dix
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