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re: Jason Verrett & Jarvis Landry...What could have been...Posted by KG5989 on 11/11/15 at 5:27 pm to DatNolaClap
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DatNolaClap
Jarvis Landry is 1 of my favorite players that has ever played at LSU. From his attitude to his work ethic to his physicality to his hands... I love everything about the kid and he's done very well in the NFL and is a good player. That said, Cooks was the correct draft pick and I would still take him over Landry. And for a couple of reasons.
First off, when we drafted Cooks we had just gotten rid of Sproles and still had Jimmy Graham. And Colston was coming off a season where he went 74/943/5 in 15games. We had 2 big targets that could go up and make plays for Brees. By letting Sproles go, we we're without a big play, X factor type of guy that every offense needs. Cooks is just that. Now, we traded Graham and Colston and declined at a rapid rate. Cooks is not a true WR1 in the NFL but is being treated as such. We are missing a tall, rangy, big bodies and athletic WR that could go up and make plays over DBs like an Allen Robinson, Martavis Bryant, Moncrief, etc. That would open things up for Cooks because that type of WR would be seeing the CB1 and it would allow us to use Cooks as a mismatch and line him up in diff spots and up against CB2 / nickel CB, etc.. Landry would play the role that Snead is playing right now. And Snead has done an excellent job for us and is actually outproducing Landry in yards and TDs despite seeing 14 less targets than Jarvis this year.
Secondly, you are acting like Landry is clearly a superior player to Cooks. And he's not. In 24games, Landry has 189targets, 137rec for 1293yards (9.4ypc) and 7 TDs. In 19games, Cooks has 141targers, 98recs for 1153yards (11.8ypc) and 7 TDs. So Landry has been in 5 more games than Cooks (will be 6 when Saints have their bye week) and seeing 48more targets than Cooks, he's had just 140yards more than Cooks. And I get people saying that Landry is playing with Tannehill and the Dolphins while Cooks is with Brees and the Saints so that has an impact on stats. But Tannehill peppers Landry with targets and his role for the Dolphins is what his skillset is. They use him very well and how most teams would use him. And it's not like Tannehill is some scrub. I mean DeAndre Hopkins is putting up ridiculous #s with Brian Hoyer as their QB. And it's because he gets peppered with targets.
I'll give you that Landry is a better special teamer and return guy, even though I think Cooks sample size is too small to make a realistic judgement. But you don't take a player early in the draft because of what they can do on special teams. You take them for what they can do as an offensive or defensive player. Getting special teams production from them is just a bonus. But I'll take the better player on offense and defense than a worst player on offense and D but a better returner.
And they are both still very early in their careers. A lot of things can change in 3 years or so. Cooks has the higher ceiling and more potential than Landry. Landry has a higher floor and will always be a solid player in the NFL, but his ceiling is limited due to his athletic limitations. Cooks has a very high ceiling due to his athleticism and talent. He has the ability to have some massive #s for us in the future. And if you pair him with a more tradition WR1 in the NFL, I think you will see him do just that. If Treadwell is when we are up to draft, it will be extremely hard to pass him up. He's exactly what we need.
And again, I love Landry and am a huge fan. Would love for him to be in the black and gold. But if I had to choose between Cooks and Landry, I'll take Cooks. The 1 thing you could argue in favor of Landry is that his value has been better based on their draft status so far. But that's it. And it will likely change in the future.
This post was edited on 11/11 at 5:34 pm
re: Jason Verrett & Jarvis Landry...What could have been...Posted by Hoodoo Man on 11/11/15 at 5:31 pm to KG5989
re: Jason Verrett & Jarvis Landry...What could have been...Posted by TigerBait1127 on 11/11/15 at 5:34 pm to Hoodoo Man
re: Jason Verrett & Jarvis Landry...What could have been...Posted by KG5989 on 11/11/15 at 5:34 pm to Hoodoo Man
re: Jason Verrett & Jarvis Landry...What could have been...Posted by Lester Earl on 11/11/15 at 6:36 pm to deNYEd
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What games are you watching. Dude is Mr. Consistent. Catches everything thrown is way. Is top 10 in NFL in receptions currently.
dont get me wrong, I like him,
Again, consider last year, on average, the passes he caught traveled 3 yards in the air.
This year, on average, the passes he has caught have traveled 5 yards in the air.
So yea, they are high percentage passes, I would hope he catches everything.
It sounds like an insult but its really not, but he's a gadget player
re: Jason Verrett & Jarvis Landry...What could have been...Posted by goatmilker on 11/11/15 at 6:55 pm to Hoodoo Man
This is what happens after a sh!tty weekend.
re: Jason Verrett & Jarvis Landry...What could have been...Posted by DatNolaClap on 11/12/15 at 9:58 am to KG5989
TL;DR
Jarvis is better. If he played with one of the most prolific passers in the history of the NFL i think his stats might see a little bit of a jump, dont you think? By athleticism do you mean speed? I would include agility, elusiveness, the ability to go up and play the ball in athleticism. And in those three categories Jarvis is superior. He doesnt have a 40 time as fast as brandin cooks but he can make defenders miss, and up until now brandin cooks has failed to do that. he is a straight line burner, with no wiggle in his hips. Jarvis has better hands, i dont think there is any arguing that point. Although cooks is a good route runner, Landry's route running is perhaps what he does best, and the edge would go to Jarvis. The only thing that is holding Jarvis back is the system he is in. Put him on the saints, steelers, patriots, packers ......... and his statline would be right up there with the best in the NFL. I dont even know why im still responding to this thread. im gonna stop now.
Jarvis is better. If he played with one of the most prolific passers in the history of the NFL i think his stats might see a little bit of a jump, dont you think? By athleticism do you mean speed? I would include agility, elusiveness, the ability to go up and play the ball in athleticism. And in those three categories Jarvis is superior. He doesnt have a 40 time as fast as brandin cooks but he can make defenders miss, and up until now brandin cooks has failed to do that. he is a straight line burner, with no wiggle in his hips. Jarvis has better hands, i dont think there is any arguing that point. Although cooks is a good route runner, Landry's route running is perhaps what he does best, and the edge would go to Jarvis. The only thing that is holding Jarvis back is the system he is in. Put him on the saints, steelers, patriots, packers ......... and his statline would be right up there with the best in the NFL. I dont even know why im still responding to this thread. im gonna stop now.
re: Jason Verrett & Jarvis Landry...What could have been...Posted by CocoLoco on 11/12/15 at 12:07 pm to DatNolaClap
I think all of us here love Landry, but you won't listen to any argument that Cooks is more versatile. I think Cooks is a hell of player, so is Landry. A big target that's not old like Colston to go with Cooks and I think Brees would torch anyone.
re: Jason Verrett & Jarvis Landry...What could have been...Posted by DatNolaClap on 11/12/15 at 12:51 pm to CocoLoco
ive listened to it all week. I just dont agree and yall have not said anything that changes my mind. What do you want me to say? "You know what, even though in no way i agree with you, you all are right."?
re: Jason Verrett & Jarvis Landry...What could have been...Posted by CocoLoco on 11/12/15 at 12:53 pm to DatNolaClap
Nothing at all my man. Have a great day.
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re: Jason Verrett & Jarvis Landry...What could have been...Posted by TigerBait1127 on 11/12/15 at 1:01 pm to DatNolaClap
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By athleticism do you mean speed? I would include agility, elusiveness, the ability to go up and play the ball in athleticism.
Cooks vs Landry
40 - 4.33* vs 4.61 (4.71)
Bench - 16 reps vs 12
Vertical - 36 Vs 31.5 (28.5)
Broad Jump - 120 vs 110
3 cone - 6.76 Vs 7.56
20 Yard shuttle - 3.81* vs 4.59
60 yard shuttle -10.72* vs ?
So basically more athletic in every measurable way. * denotes top performer
Cooks blew the agility and quickness tests out the water
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He doesnt have a 40 time as fast as brandin cooks but he can make defenders miss, and up until now brandin cooks has failed to do that.
By your logic, I can just point to that college highlight, right?
This post was edited on 11/12 at 1:04 pm
re: Jason Verrett & Jarvis Landry...What could have been...Posted by deNYEd on 11/12/15 at 1:13 pm to Lester Earl
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So yea, they are high percentage passes, I would hope he catches everything.
It sounds like an insult but its really not, but he's a gadget player
thats a product of the offense he is in. no?
re: Jason Verrett & Jarvis Landry...What could have been...Posted by TigerBait1127 on 11/12/15 at 1:15 pm to deNYEd
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thats a product of the offense he is in. no?
It's a product of his skillset. That is the best way to maximize it.
Tough receiver with good quickness that lacks vertical speed and leaping ability.
This post was edited on 11/12 at 1:16 pm
re: Jason Verrett & Jarvis Landry...What could have been...Posted by tigerclaws15 on 11/13/15 at 2:40 pm to TigerBait1127
Landry is much better than Cooks, especially when you put in the value of the pick. Switch teams and cooks would be forgotten at this point.
re: Jason Verrett & Jarvis Landry...What could have been...Posted by TigerBait1127 on 11/13/15 at 2:42 pm to tigerclaws15
I like how you backed up that brilliantly logical post with stats and facts
re: Jason Verrett & Jarvis Landry...What could have been...Posted by KindaRaw on 11/13/15 at 2:44 pm to TigerBait1127
Damn, why doesn't he play that physical in the NFL? Is he scared of getting injured? Shite he looks like Steve Smith in that gif.
re: Jason Verrett & Jarvis Landry...What could have been...Posted by TigerBait1127 on 11/13/15 at 2:46 pm to KindaRaw
We've struggled to get him the ball in space for sure. I think a big issue has been the lack of other threats
As they've emerged this year, he looks like he's going to explode
As they've emerged this year, he looks like he's going to explode
re: Jason Verrett & Jarvis Landry...What could have been...Posted by deNYEd on 11/13/15 at 3:50 pm to TigerBait1127
how do you get anything done while riding cook's dick all day?
re: Jason Verrett & Jarvis Landry...What could have been...Posted by Lester Earl on 11/13/15 at 4:08 pm to deNYEd
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thats a product of the offense he is in. no?
Stills averages 17pyc
Rishard Matthews averages 15ypc
Jordan Cameron the TE averages 13.2
then there is Landry and the RB Lamar Miller at 10.0 and 10.1 YPC
So other guys are able to get deep in the same offense.
Like whoever said, they play to his skill set. He isn't fast nor explosive, but he is good on the short routes getting in and out of cuts & making catches in traffic from the slot.
You send a 5'10" 4.77 WR out deep and he is going to get eaten up.
re: Jason Verrett & Jarvis Landry...What could have been...Posted by TigerBait1127 on 11/13/15 at 6:01 pm to deNYEd
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This post was edited on 11/13 at 6:32 pm
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