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Interesting Metric Correlation between Pass Rushers and NFL Success
Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:37 pm
***Not my original work. Pulled it from reddit, but thought it's pretty interesting. Especially considering a lot of us want a pass rusher next or after next. Also we met with Correa, and were linked to him at one point (even tho that report might have just been random). Could bode well for us if we take him.
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Broad Jump 9'9" or better, 3 cone under 7.20. It seems almost too simple on the surface, but check this out.
I'm looking at every player drafted between 2003 and 2012. I'm not including players drafted in 2013/14/15 because they haven't completed their rookie contracts yet.
That said, players who jumped 9'9" or better in the broad jump AND had a 3 cone under 7.20 average almost 21 sacks by the end of their rookie contract, AKA their first 4 seasons in the league. The exact number is 20.84 for those of you who are skeptical about me saying "almost".
Players who fail ONE of those two little checks average 6.8 sacks by the end of their rookie contract. Players who fail both average 5.9.
To look beyond just averages, get this. The odds of a player contributing exactly 0 sacks for a team if they check these boxes are 15.56%. If they fail to check even one of the two boxes those odds go up to 35.85%. Failing to check both boxes raises the odds even more, to 43.18%.
The odds of a player accumulating at least 20 sacks in their rookie contract if they check both boxes? 45.65%. If they fail to check one? 8.49%. Fail both and your odds of accumulating 20+ sacks in your rookie contract are 6.82%.
At the end of the day, it's not COMPLETELY fool proof, but if you like playing the odds, this has gotta be the best combination of ease+accuracy out there.
If you don't like advanced metrics but still want a quick, easy way to tell which edge rush prospects have a good shot at being pretty good, all you need to pay attention to is 3 cone and broad jump. Seems simple enough, right?
Looking at this year's class, here are the players that check both boxes:
Joey Bosa (grats Chargers)
Alex McCalister
Trent Corney
Leonard Floyd (grats Bears)
Bryson Albright
Jonathan Woodard
Stephen Weatherly
Shaq Lawson (grats Bills)
Kamalei Correa
Tyler Roberts
Players who fail one check, but not two:
Shawn Oakman (3 cone 7.53)
Bronson Kaufusi (broad jump 9'3")
Shiro Davis (3 cone 7.22)
Emmanuel Ogbah (3 cone 7.26)
Tautvydas Kieras (broad jump 9'8")
Shilique Calhoun (broad jump 9'7")
Romeo Okwara (3 cone 7.38)
James Cowser (broad jump 9'3")
Noah Spence (3 cone 7.21)
Jason Fanaika (broad jump 9'5")
Tyrone Holmes (broad jump 9'5")
Dadi Nicholas (broad jump 9'8")
Victor Ochi (3 cone 7.24)
Yannick Ngakoue (3 cone 7.35)
Players who fail both checks - the only drafted edge rushers since 2003 to fail both checks and still manage 20+ sacks on their rookie contracts have been Carlos Dunlap, Jabaal Sheard, and Ray Edwards. Here are your almost-definitely-busts:
Carl Nassib
Jonathan Bullard (although I like him as an interior DL)
Kevin Dodd
Branden Jackson
Mehdi Abdesmad
Matt Judon
If we ran this little exercise using the 2013/14/15 draft classes, here are the players who would've passed as well as the # of sacks they have so far:
2013: Ezekiel Ansah (30), Devin Taylor (10.5), Jamie Collins (9.5), Armonty Bryant (8.5), Damontre Moore (8.5), Barkevious Mingo (7), Dion Jordan (3), Margus Hunt (1.5), Ty Powell (1), Corey Lemonier (1), Lavar Edwards (0), Joe Kruger (0), and Malliciah Goodman (0).
2014: Khalil Mack (19), Kony Ealy (9), Anthony Barr (7.5), Trent Murphy (6), Dee Ford (5.5), Marcus Smith (1.5), and Tyler Starr (0).
2015: Preston Smith (8), Danielle Hunter (6), Vic Beasley (4), Frank Clark (3), Kyle Emanuel (1), Randy Gregory (0), and Eli Harold (0)
It's worth noting that only 19.08% of all edge rushers drafted from 2003-2012 managed to eclipse the 20 sack mark during their rookie contract. Out of that 19.08% though, 68.97% check both of these athletic boxes. Food for thought.
This post was edited on 4/29/16 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:41 pm to PurpleDrank18
Spence as .01 seconds off the mark so that would be close enough.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:43 pm to Fun Bunch
Well the author/creator said it's a pretty hard line and gave examples of guys who were just barely off of wither yet still didn't find success.
Again, not saying it's a reason not to take Spence, I'd be good for that as he is easily the closest one to getting in that "two-check" group. But numbers don't lie and it does kinda sour me on Dodd and Nassib. They'd have to be the exception, not the rule, to have success...according to this. (Which does seem like it has its merits).
Again, not saying it's a reason not to take Spence, I'd be good for that as he is easily the closest one to getting in that "two-check" group. But numbers don't lie and it does kinda sour me on Dodd and Nassib. They'd have to be the exception, not the rule, to have success...according to this. (Which does seem like it has its merits).
This post was edited on 4/29/16 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:47 pm to PurpleDrank18
I'm not sure how Correa fits here. Definitely see him as a 34 OLB. Kind of redundant with Kikaha.
He is a pass rush guy though.
He is a pass rush guy though.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:48 pm to PurpleDrank18
That's really interesting, but as a reminder, correlation is not causation. Still, food for thought, as he says
Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:51 pm to Laaz2750
Right, of course. But, pretty heavy correlation. Guys that check both boxes have way higher success rates. I'd be ok with a guy with one check mark tho, as those can break the mold by working out more, intangibles, intelligence and work eithic.
Really doesn't bode well for players that didn't get either tho.
Really doesn't bode well for players that didn't get either tho.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:52 pm to PurpleDrank18
quote:
it's not COMPLETELY fool proof,
terrell suggs
tamba hali
paul kruger
thats just through a few minutes of searching.
will have to look more into it. This has kinda been a "thing" for a few years now.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:53 pm to Fun Bunch
I agree with you about Correa. Just pointing out that somebody linked us too him earlier in the draft season, and he is on the "good" list here.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:58 pm to Lester Earl
There's always going to be outliers and players that break their category. It's not 100% telling. Nobody said that.
Although I do find it interesting that outside of Bosa, Floyd, Lawson and Correa the rest of that group is a bunch of guys projected to go 6th-UDFA
Although I do find it interesting that outside of Bosa, Floyd, Lawson and Correa the rest of that group is a bunch of guys projected to go 6th-UDFA
This post was edited on 4/29/16 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 4/29/16 at 2:21 pm to PurpleDrank18
I know Rankins is a DT but his broad jump was 118.0"(9ft, 8.33 inches) and his 3 cone was 7.44 secs at 6'1" 299 lbs. Pretty close to those metrics at that size. Not bad.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 4:51 pm to PurpleDrank18
I can tell you one thing for sure. Kevin Dodd will NOT be a bust. His three cone drill was also 7.18 at his pro day.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 5:37 pm to PurpleDrank18
Kikaha has the cone time, but not the broad jump
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