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I forget that Strief is a free agent.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:31 pm
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ESPN Saints blogger Mike Triplett believes there's a "strong chance" impending free agent RT Zach Strief gets a more lucrative offer elsewhere.
The Saints are in a salary-cap bind of sorts this offseason and won't be able to bring everyone back. Strief made 15 starts this past season and graded out as Pro Football Focus' No. 1 overall right tackle, excelling in pass protection. Bryce Harris and Marcel Jones are possible in-house replacements for the Saints.
I fricking hope not!
Strief was the only consistent bright spot this year on our OLine and losing him would suck. We are in no position to outbid another team who is gonna over pay for a RT.
Took all season to sure up the left side, and now we might have to the same thing with right side next year. :banghead;
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Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:34 pm to Mouth
He's getting kinda old anyway. Time to get young on the oline. Isn't Strief like 30 now? Can't have much left in the tank and I'd rather not sign someone for more than they're really worth. Let's be real, Strief is an okay RT and nothing more. He did play well this past year though. How well did he grade in the run game? Is that something that's even possible to grade?
This post was edited on 2/2/14 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:39 pm to Mouth
Well we still have Evans on the right side, who when he finally got healthy made a much bigger impact.
But yeah losing Strief is going to suck. If he gets overall $3 mil a year somewhere else I don't think we can match it.
At least Harris has experience though so it wouldn't be like throwing in a green rookie(who isn't a physical freak/draft gem). And Jones has the size to play the position so I actually hope he can get his shite together.
It'll be very interesting to see how we make space to try to keep some of these guys, which ones will get bid out of our price range, and which ones we just don't want any more.
But yeah losing Strief is going to suck. If he gets overall $3 mil a year somewhere else I don't think we can match it.
At least Harris has experience though so it wouldn't be like throwing in a green rookie(who isn't a physical freak/draft gem). And Jones has the size to play the position so I actually hope he can get his shite together.
It'll be very interesting to see how we make space to try to keep some of these guys, which ones will get bid out of our price range, and which ones we just don't want any more.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:41 pm to Mouth
RTs are dirt cheap. Eric Winston was one of the best RTs in the NFL in 2012 and he signed a 1 year, $1.25m deal with the Cards. Tyson Clabo was very good and signed a 1 year, $3.5m deal with the Dolphins (and went on to play horribly). If he walks, I don't think that we'll have much trouble finding a veteran stopgap to take over in the event that Jones/Harris suck.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:42 pm to deuce985
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He's getting kinda old anyway. Time to get young on the oline. Isn't Strief like 30 now?
He is coming off the best year of his career.
30 yrs old is not "old" for a tackle who has only been a starter for a few seasons, and has no injury history.
We have no proven players to fill his roll and we can't afford to go looking for one either.
Losing Strief is the last thing we need to worry about with all the other shite we need to fix.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:43 pm to THRILLHO
quote:Let's hope it doesn't take 85% of season of them sucking for us to realize it ala Brown.
If he walks, I don't think that we'll have much trouble finding a veteran stopgap to take over in the event that Jones/Harris suck.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:45 pm to Mouth
quote:Like what?
Losing Strief is the last thing we need to worry about with all the other shite we need to fix.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:46 pm to THRILLHO
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RTs are dirt cheap. Eric Winston was one of the best RTs in the NFL in 2012 and he signed a 1 year, $1.25m deal with the Cards. Tyson Clabo was very good and signed a 1 year, $3.5m deal with the Dolphins (and went on to play horribly). If he walks, I don't think that we'll have much trouble finding a veteran stopgap to take over in the event that Jones/Harris suck.
I agree with this. But Strief has been in this offense since his start and knows this system. He was just getting going and now he might be gone.
It just sucks and I don't want to have to worry about it.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:48 pm to Melvin
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Like what?
WR
Center
Safety
Corner
Signing Jimmy
Grubbs declined big time
Kicker
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:57 pm to Mouth
More reason to trade Jimmy Graham because we can't afford him.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 3:59 pm to Mouth
Well, I guess we won't be seeing him at Red Eye anymore.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 4:05 pm to deuce985
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More reason to trade Jimmy Graham because we can't afford him.
You trade the best TE in the NFL that just put up 16 TDs on one foot so that you can keep a slightly above average RT?
Posted on 2/2/14 at 4:06 pm to deuce985
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More reason to trade Jimmy Graham because we can't afford him.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 4:19 pm to Mouth
WR- Think it depends on what we do with Moore and how they feel about Toon. And I doubt it gets addressed in FA so it's a non-issue in that sense.
Center- This is an issue because right now we have no starter. This is a spot I could see us going either way or both with draft/FA.
Safety- Depends on what happens with Harper. Bush and Vaccaro are good enough to be starters and Bush is a RFA who I doubt gets a big deal elsewhere. Jenkins can go as a safety(stay if the bring him back as a cheap nickel/sometimes safety).
Corner- I think Greer is as good as gone looking at his age, contract, and injury situation unless he takes a pay cut. Even still would should try to get another FA corner much like with Lewis. Lewis only counted about $2 mil on the cap last year and we can structure the new guy's deal about the same.
Signing Jimmy- Obvious it's going to happen so really a non-factor aside from the how much standpoint.
Grubbs declined big time- Nothing we can do here this year. We aren't replacing him and can't really cut him to get money to get a replacement. He only saves $100,000 and we save much more by restructuring meaning no matter what he stays.
Kicker- Seriously doubt we bring someone in for more than the minimum. I think we just better be ready for kicker carousel round two.
So really Center and Corner are the 2 biggest hot spots(bigger than RT). One because we have no in house replacement and the other because of age/injury/contract being a huge issue and having no proven replacement(because I haven't seen enough from White or PRob that says they can be anything more than nickel backs).
Center- This is an issue because right now we have no starter. This is a spot I could see us going either way or both with draft/FA.
Safety- Depends on what happens with Harper. Bush and Vaccaro are good enough to be starters and Bush is a RFA who I doubt gets a big deal elsewhere. Jenkins can go as a safety(stay if the bring him back as a cheap nickel/sometimes safety).
Corner- I think Greer is as good as gone looking at his age, contract, and injury situation unless he takes a pay cut. Even still would should try to get another FA corner much like with Lewis. Lewis only counted about $2 mil on the cap last year and we can structure the new guy's deal about the same.
Signing Jimmy- Obvious it's going to happen so really a non-factor aside from the how much standpoint.
Grubbs declined big time- Nothing we can do here this year. We aren't replacing him and can't really cut him to get money to get a replacement. He only saves $100,000 and we save much more by restructuring meaning no matter what he stays.
Kicker- Seriously doubt we bring someone in for more than the minimum. I think we just better be ready for kicker carousel round two.
So really Center and Corner are the 2 biggest hot spots(bigger than RT). One because we have no in house replacement and the other because of age/injury/contract being a huge issue and having no proven replacement(because I haven't seen enough from White or PRob that says they can be anything more than nickel backs).
This post was edited on 2/2/14 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 2/2/14 at 4:20 pm to THRILLHO
No, you trade Jimmy Graham so you can get cheap in certain positions and get better in other positions. You get a couple 1st rounds for him or something like that...again, you get cheap through the draft with potential at 2 superstars. Then you have plenty money left over for FA to fill whatever needs you have...
It's not a hard concept to understand. I love Jimmy but it's going to cost the team too much to keep him. It's unfortunate but that's how it is. Paying him whatever ridiculous salary he's going to have isn't worth it. Means we'll lose guys like Strief and maybe even in some other positions some guys. If he gets hurt we're fricked. Not only did we lose our best offensive weapon but we signed him to a deal that prevented us from getting a ton more depth on the team.
A guy who touches the ball 6x a game and isn't even in on every offensive play isn't worth 10 mil+ a year, IMO. Wouldn't you rather us keep Strief, sign a big WR FA and use the 2 1st round picks on both offense/defense? Cam Jordan is coming up on a contract year and I'd much rather him get a big deal since he's in on almost every single defensive play...
It's not a hard concept to understand. I love Jimmy but it's going to cost the team too much to keep him. It's unfortunate but that's how it is. Paying him whatever ridiculous salary he's going to have isn't worth it. Means we'll lose guys like Strief and maybe even in some other positions some guys. If he gets hurt we're fricked. Not only did we lose our best offensive weapon but we signed him to a deal that prevented us from getting a ton more depth on the team.
A guy who touches the ball 6x a game and isn't even in on every offensive play isn't worth 10 mil+ a year, IMO. Wouldn't you rather us keep Strief, sign a big WR FA and use the 2 1st round picks on both offense/defense? Cam Jordan is coming up on a contract year and I'd much rather him get a big deal since he's in on almost every single defensive play...
Posted on 2/2/14 at 4:25 pm to deuce985
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No, you trade Jimmy Graham
this is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have read on here.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 4:28 pm to jorconalx
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this is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have read on here
its not surprising coming from the guy who posted it. You let go of Graham with two guys that MIGHT be good when Graham is your only current consistent receiving threat
you get Brees to restructure and keep arguably the best TE in the leaguePosted on 2/2/14 at 4:30 pm to Mouth
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Strief was the only consistent bright spot this year on our OLine and losing him would suck
NOThis post was edited on 2/2/14 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 2/2/14 at 4:31 pm to deuce985
Jordan has a team option in 2015 and can be franchised in 2016. By that point, we'll much more easily be able to get our of some big contracts of underperformers (Colston, Grubbs, Lofton, Hawthorne, Bunkley).
I would be shocked if someone gives up two first round picks for Graham.
I would be shocked if someone gives up two first round picks for Graham.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 4:35 pm to deuce985
Honestly I'm about 50/50 on Graham, but despite how anyone feels we are keeping him. And there is no way in hell we are getting 2 firsts for him. Stop the delusions.
On the one hand he's a fantastic athlete who is unstoppable in certain situations and still has his best years right in front of him.
On the other hand it looks like a bad opportunity cost move because despite being best in the league at pass catching TE, he doesn't affect a game as much as Brees does.
With the money he's going to cost(on average), we could get 3-5 other legit starters(not best in the league types, but guys that are clearly good enough to start).
So the question is would he affect games as much as 4, say, Greer level players?
On the one hand he's a fantastic athlete who is unstoppable in certain situations and still has his best years right in front of him.
On the other hand it looks like a bad opportunity cost move because despite being best in the league at pass catching TE, he doesn't affect a game as much as Brees does.
With the money he's going to cost(on average), we could get 3-5 other legit starters(not best in the league types, but guys that are clearly good enough to start).
So the question is would he affect games as much as 4, say, Greer level players?
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