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Fumble on punt return
Posted on 11/2/15 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 11/2/15 at 9:18 pm
Should it have been called a dead ball at that point? Before the wing facemask?
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 9:38 pm to josh336
no, what if the Giants recovered?
Posted on 11/2/15 at 11:03 pm to LSUlefty
I mean once Snead picks it up. He can't advance it according to the rule, right?
Posted on 11/2/15 at 11:07 pm to josh336
You can't advance a muffed punt, which is just the return man dropping it as he tries to catch it. A fumble can be advanced or returned.
Posted on 11/2/15 at 11:50 pm to sicboy
The offensive team cannot advance any fumble inside of 2 minutes
Posted on 11/3/15 at 3:01 am to josh336
Because he "fumbled forward", it's a dead ball once the offense recovers. As far as the penalty, it's a personal foul. So it would be enforced no matter what.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 5:11 am to Waldeaux24
Can you call a facemask on someone after the play is dead?
Honestly, even if they gifted us 15 yards: (1) they owed us about 80, and (2) we still had to make a 50yd field goal with a kicker off the street
Honestly, even if they gifted us 15 yards: (1) they owed us about 80, and (2) we still had to make a 50yd field goal with a kicker off the street
Posted on 11/3/15 at 5:59 am to Waldeaux24
It should be a dead ball once snead recovers i think. If its blown dead, then wing likely doesnt facemask tackle snead.
Again, we deserved a call after the first 59 mins, was just curious if the refs fricked this one up royally
Again, we deserved a call after the first 59 mins, was just curious if the refs fricked this one up royally
Posted on 11/3/15 at 6:34 am to josh336
The face mask happened pretty much instantaneously after the recovery. They may have tried to blow it dead, but it wouldn't have mattered. Wing would have still made the tackle. And it doesn't matter if the play is over. That penalty will be called any time.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 8:12 am to josh336
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It should be a dead ball once snead recovers i think.
No, it was a live fumble; the play was not over until the ball was ruled dead. If Snead recovered it and the Giants stripped the ball again, it would have been their ball (less 15 yards for facemask).
Posted on 11/3/15 at 9:21 am to Weekend Warrior79
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No, it was a live fumble; the play was not over until the ball was ruled dead. If Snead recovered it and the Giants stripped the ball again, it would have been their ball (less 15 yards for facemask).
This exactly. Very rarely will a situation arise where the officials need to blow a live play dead. 99.9% of the time, the play will kill itself and the whistle only informs all that the play is dead.
This play clearly illustrates why the officials throw a bean bag on fumbles. It is not to indicate a fumble. It is to mark a potential enforcement spot. The play remains live, regardless of who recovers, until it kills itself.
This post was edited on 11/3/15 at 9:24 am
Posted on 11/3/15 at 9:23 am to jmcwhrter
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Can you call a facemask on someone after the play is dead?
Absolutely you can, because you aren't calling a facemask penalty. Technically, the penalty was Personal Foul; the facemask qualifier is simply additional information, but the foul is PF. You can call a PF anytime.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 9:27 am to josh336
Its a personal foul so I don't believe so.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 9:30 am to Weekend Warrior79
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If Snead recovered it and the Giants stripped the ball again, it would have been their ball (less 15 yards for facemask).
The play is over once snead recovers it.
It becomes a dead ball, but a PF is still enforceable
Here you go:
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Although the ball was dead the moment Snead recovered it -- when a player fumbles after the two-minute warning in a half, only the fumbling player is permitted to recover and/or advance the ball -- former NFL head of officials and Fox analyst Mike Pereira said on the postgame broadcast that personal fouls are "still added on even beyond where the ball became dead by rule."
He added, "In the end, they got the enforcement of it right and the face-mask call right."
We almost got fricked there...again
This post was edited on 11/3/15 at 9:32 am
Posted on 11/3/15 at 9:41 am to sicboy
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A fumble can be advanced or returned.
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Article 6. Fumble After Two-Minute Warning If a fumble by either team occurs after the two-minute warning: The ball may be advanced by any opponent. The player who fumbled is the only player of his team who is permitted to recover and advance the ball. If the recovery or catch is by a teammate of the player who fumbled, the ball is dead, and the spot of the next snap is the spot of the fumble, or the spot of the recovery if the spot of the recovery is behind the spot of the fumble.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 2:45 am to jmcwhrter
It's a personal foul, so it SHOULD be called regardless. Whether they want to word it as a facemask or as unnecessary roughness, it's an enforceable call
Posted on 11/6/15 at 4:47 am to mm2316
So that rule indicates it should have been blown dead once snead recovered. Thanks
Posted on 11/6/15 at 7:08 am to josh336
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So that rule indicates it should have been blown dead once snead recovered. Thanks
Yes.
Still a facemask penalty
Posted on 11/6/15 at 7:33 am to mm2316
How does this make laterals on the last 10seconds kickoff return of the game legal then?
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