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re: Film Study from the Game(with screenshots)
Posted on 9/19/13 at 10:04 am to Melvin
Posted on 9/19/13 at 10:04 am to Melvin
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I agree about everything coming together and I think it all starts with Dline pressure. That can mask a lot of flaws and certainly helps the secondary out a good bit.
That's certainly a big part of it.
But I think it helps that we aren't leaving our DB's out to dry so much.
Also, I agree that KV is making the others play better.
The dude is struggling in some areas right now, but his potential is wild.
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Posted on 9/19/13 at 10:07 am to Hoodoo Man
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The dude is struggling in some areas right now, but his potential is wild.
In what areas? I'm not arguing; just wondering your opinion.
Posted on 9/19/13 at 10:08 am to Hoodoo Man
His aggressiveness is unmatched and it's something that has been missing from our d for a long time now. He's flying around all over the place so he will get exposed from time to time especially being a rookie but his impact outweighs those times IMO.
Eta: So far at least.
Eta: So far at least.
This post was edited on 9/19/13 at 10:09 am
Posted on 9/19/13 at 10:10 am to 4thandinches
The stats suggest he's dealing with inconsistency.
Which is normal for rookies.
Week one, he was our best coverage player.
Week two, he was our worst.
Week one, he struggled with the run more than in week two.
And I think he'll get much better over time.
Which is normal for rookies.
Week one, he was our best coverage player.
Week two, he was our worst.
Week one, he struggled with the run more than in week two.
quote:Absolutely.
His aggressiveness is unmatched and it's something that has been missing from our d for a long time now. He's flying around all over the place so he will get exposed from time to time especially being a rookie but his impact outweighs those times IMO.
And I think he'll get much better over time.
This post was edited on 9/19/13 at 10:12 am
Posted on 9/19/13 at 10:11 am to Bduhon55
That's pretty cool.
Posted on 9/19/13 at 10:13 am to Hoodoo Man
gotcha... interesting to think how he'll rank amongst safeties once he pulls it together.
Posted on 9/19/13 at 10:56 am to 4thandinches
he's a second too late in coverage to make turnovers, but he's always there which is the best part of his potential.
I think as time goes on, he'll figure out and gamble a bit more (and smartly) similar to how troy polamalu a few years back.
I think as time goes on, he'll figure out and gamble a bit more (and smartly) similar to how troy polamalu a few years back.
Posted on 9/19/13 at 11:31 am to htran90
It takes multiple factors to improve a defensive unit in the ultimate team game.
Whaddya'll think the most important aspects are?
I'd rank'em as-
1. BUY IN to the program. As tight lipped as the Saints org. is, it was quite telling last year when an unspecified player came out saying the players weren't all in. If ya don't hear the positive player comments like this year, then they prolly aren't convinced.
2. THE SCHEME ITSELF. They have to buy in but it does have to be a design up to NFL competition standards. Even more important is that the scheme must be tailored to the personnel. This was the great Spags fail IMO. His scheme has been good enough with the right personnel. It was simply a square peg/round hole situation last year to me.
3. PERSONNEL. Ya gotta have some talent and playmakers. Seeing how good a group of mostly the same players looks this year after being the worst in history shows how much it is more the scheme/buy-in over plain talent. Ryan is obviously catering the design to the talent.
Whaddya'll think the most important aspects are?
I'd rank'em as-
1. BUY IN to the program. As tight lipped as the Saints org. is, it was quite telling last year when an unspecified player came out saying the players weren't all in. If ya don't hear the positive player comments like this year, then they prolly aren't convinced.
2. THE SCHEME ITSELF. They have to buy in but it does have to be a design up to NFL competition standards. Even more important is that the scheme must be tailored to the personnel. This was the great Spags fail IMO. His scheme has been good enough with the right personnel. It was simply a square peg/round hole situation last year to me.
3. PERSONNEL. Ya gotta have some talent and playmakers. Seeing how good a group of mostly the same players looks this year after being the worst in history shows how much it is more the scheme/buy-in over plain talent. Ryan is obviously catering the design to the talent.
Posted on 9/19/13 at 11:38 am to blueslover
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Whaddya'll think the most important aspects are?
1. Finding out the strengths and weakness of your defensive players and putting them where they can do the most and hide the least.
Rob seems to quickly be finding this out and adjusting scheme.
Spags seemed to force the round peg and square hole with a sledghammer.
Posted on 9/19/13 at 11:45 am to blueslover
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. PERSONNEL. Ya gotta have some talent and playmakers. Seeing how good a group of mostly the same players looks this year after being the worst in history shows how much it is more the scheme/buy-in over plain talent. Ryan is obviously catering the design to the talent.
You know, for years, I've been listening to some people on here saying we just didn't have the talent to be anything but terrible on defense.
I also heard we needed to cut most of the players and start over.
I never bought that.
I saw the talent on this defense.
I also saw that lots of our players were being used wrong.
It's nice to see a coordinator who can use each player to their strengths.
Also, the people who said we were better suited for a 3-4 appear to be vindicated.
This post was edited on 9/19/13 at 11:46 am
Posted on 9/19/13 at 2:16 pm to Bduhon55
Here is another example of why the defense is more effective so far this season:
2)Playmaking ability of the defensive line
- I like a lot of Saints fans like Will Smith as a Saints and his contributions over the years..but the faster and younger talent on the roster right now is more effective. Here is a play where John Jenkins and Akeim Hicks are playing interior.
1st and 10 after Brees' first INT. Saints come out in a base cover two with man underneath expecting a run or a boot, which TB likes to run with Freeman.
You intially see Jenkins completely beat his man and penetrate the back field forcing the hamster to bounce it right. Now normally this play would have been open to the right and left up to a slower LB or Kenny V to come down and make a play.
But the mere strength and quickness of Akiem Hicks is the better play here. Hicks grabs the runner by the jersey and practically tackles him with one hand, saving a potential big run.
2)Playmaking ability of the defensive line
- I like a lot of Saints fans like Will Smith as a Saints and his contributions over the years..but the faster and younger talent on the roster right now is more effective. Here is a play where John Jenkins and Akeim Hicks are playing interior.
1st and 10 after Brees' first INT. Saints come out in a base cover two with man underneath expecting a run or a boot, which TB likes to run with Freeman.
You intially see Jenkins completely beat his man and penetrate the back field forcing the hamster to bounce it right. Now normally this play would have been open to the right and left up to a slower LB or Kenny V to come down and make a play.
But the mere strength and quickness of Akiem Hicks is the better play here. Hicks grabs the runner by the jersey and practically tackles him with one hand, saving a potential big run.
Posted on 9/19/13 at 2:25 pm to Bduhon55
I still want to punch Spags in the face every time I see Hicks make a good play. The fact that Ellis started over him last year is absolutely sickening.
Posted on 9/19/13 at 3:14 pm to saintsfan92612
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The fact that Ellis started over him last year is absolutely sickening.
Yes it was, but he was in the last year of that massive contract that he got before the rookie scale changed. Can you really justify sitting that much money for a rookie third rounder who never played college ball in the US.
That being said the fact Ellis retired right after his ridiculous rookie contract was up speaks volumes about his work ethic
Posted on 9/21/13 at 9:14 am to mindbreaker
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the fact Ellis retired right after his ridiculous rookie contract was up speaks volumes about his work ethic
The importance of vetting and figuring the intangibles on players increases every year. Ya gotta wonder how many of these talented players purposefully have in their mind "I just wanna get through that contract" and go home. Ellis collected $30+million I beleieve.
Further on the issue of buying in...
a good Fujita article
I can’t speculate about what’s in any one person’s head, but when a player enters the league wearing headphones incessantly, shows up late for treatments, and makes little effort to engage with his teammates, he can quickly develop a reputation for being insular and high-maintenance.
It can be perceived that he isn’t happy and that he’s not making an effort to buy in. I’ve seen this happen countless times, especially in today’s head down, keep-things-to-yourself culture.
Generally, you hope the player grows out of that coming into his second season, especially when there’s been a complete regime change and everyone is expected to prove themselves all over again. Some players buy in, and some don’t. Buy-in, even if it’s just perceived, goes a long way. You have to be willing to show you want to be part of the team.
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