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re: Drew Brees: Stills and Toon
Posted on 8/20/13 at 6:30 pm to ATLienTiger
Posted on 8/20/13 at 6:30 pm to ATLienTiger
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Which of these 3 young receivers replace Meech and Devery in the Blocking department? Those two guys were very good blockers.
This is the one thing I haven't looked for yet in the games or have heard about from the coaches.
With Toon's size I find it hard to believe he can't block a smaller corner. And Stills is a bigger Lance so that should give him an edge over him in blocking.
The question is are the willing to do it. I think Toon is but I question Stills.
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Posted on 8/20/13 at 6:33 pm to TulaneTigerFan
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He still is. VJAX led the NFL in yards at the catch last season. He's one of the best deep threats in the L
That was due that one play where Harper and Robinson fainted on the field and Jenkins ran him down before he could get into the endzone.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 8:28 pm to bonethug0108
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And if memory serves right they were all on the 9 route.
I don't think was asked to run much more then 9 routes last season. The offense as a whole was stale compared to other seasons where Payton was designing & calling plays. I think this season we would gotten to see more out Morgan but unfortunately now, we won't have that opportunity.
Still in all, there's plenty to be excited about with the potential of Toon & Stills. Both seem to be excellent fits for this offense at a time when it became real necessity for them to develop into quality receivers.
This post was edited on 8/20/13 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 8/20/13 at 8:34 pm to BigBrod81
With drew's arsenal this year, do you think he breaks his yardage record?
Posted on 8/20/13 at 8:46 pm to htran90
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With drew's arsenal this year, do you think he breaks his yardage record?
That's certainly a possibility. I believe with Payton's emphasis on getting the ground game back on track, this will definitely open up more chances for the home run ball downfield to go along with the annual carving of defenses over the middle & down the seams.
What I'm really waiting for is Drew to have one of those games where he comes out red hot & Payton just allows him to carve up an opposing defense to break Norm Van Brocklin's 554 passing yards in a game. With Payton & Brees quietly having a chip on their shoulders, they are going to want "to see blood". If it's going to happen, it's going to happen this season.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:06 pm to htran90
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With drew's arsenal this year, do you think he breaks his yardage record?
We'll see, but I see us being extremely balanced this year. I know were on frickin fire in 2011 and it will be damn hard to repeat that.
But I'd be perfectly fine with 4500 yards 40 TD's 8 picks en route to a Super Bowl
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:18 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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8 picks
Whoa, that is asking for a lot. Drew is definitely very caviler with the Football.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 9:27 pm to ATLienTiger
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Drew is definitely very caviler with the Football.
That's pushing it.
His issues often come from his height.
Posted on 8/20/13 at 10:43 pm to Hoodoo Man
I fathom he's gonna break 40 TD's, but when payton says "balance with the running game" I hear more of 2011 numbers so I'm optimistic brees can home-run away this season as well. It'd be nice for him to break the yardage record and TD record. that way he can get a piece of jewelry (superbowl ring) and two MVP trophies :P
Posted on 8/20/13 at 11:04 pm to BadgerPete
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Pants are off
Posted on 8/21/13 at 6:35 am to Brettesaurus Rex
Let's say he throws for 300 yards per game at 8.5 yards per attempt (his ypa in 2009, when he went for 292 per game). That comes to 35 passes per game, or 560 passes on the season for 4800 yards. That's about the number of passes he threw in 2006, more than 2009, but less than all of our other seasons. So that implies a strong running game and the offense is clicking, so his INT% would be lower than his 2.6% for his career in NOLA. His best years were 2.0 & 2.1% here, and at 8.5 ypa, we're implying good ball protection. Going with 2.1%, we're talking 12 picks. If we assume 6.6% of his passes are TDs (his 2009 number and average over the last four years), then we get 37 TDs.
I would be fine with those #s.
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TL; DR/math makes my head hurt version:
With balanced attack like 2009 and slightly more attempts than 2009, he gets 4800 yards, 37 TDs, 12 picks.
I would be fine with those #s.
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TL; DR/math makes my head hurt version:
With balanced attack like 2009 and slightly more attempts than 2009, he gets 4800 yards, 37 TDs, 12 picks.
This post was edited on 8/21/13 at 6:39 am
Posted on 8/21/13 at 9:20 am to Slapouttiger
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Just mr. Brees don't throw 17 picks this year.
As long as he throws at least 2 TDs for every pick, he can throw as many as he wants imo.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 12:10 pm to bonethug0108
I have a different opinion than you, so I must not know what I am talking about. Thanks for the heads up.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 12:27 pm to mm2316
What I said wasn't an opinion. Morgan had a slower 40 than both and both have shown they can run that deep route very consistently in practice and have both shown it in these games.
Now had you said they don't do it as well as Morgan that's a different story. But they can do it consistently.
Now had you said they don't do it as well as Morgan that's a different story. But they can do it consistently.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 12:39 pm to bonethug0108
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What I said wasn't an opinion. Morgan had a slower 40 than both
It wasn't an opnion, but it was wrong.
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Nick Toon: 4.54
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Joe Morgan 4.44
Even if they both had faster 40s, fast 40s don't make you a deep threat.
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Now had you said they don't do it as well as Morgan that's a different story
That's obviously what I meant. Anyone straight down a football field at their fastest pace, obviously I was speaking of how well they do it. I'm also basing my opinion off what I've seen from Stills and Toon and college. Stills had an average YPC of 12.8 over 3 years, and Toon's was 14.3 over 4 years.. While Morgan only had 10 catches last year, his YPC was 37.9.
This post was edited on 8/21/13 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 8/21/13 at 12:43 pm to Rickety Cricket
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Is it ok to fap to this?
Yes, it is totally appropriate here.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 12:50 pm to mm2316
That was just one of his 40 times. He also ran a sub 4.4(Morgan's best that I saw was a 4.4 flat). He said so himself in a video asking why people keep saying he's not a deep threat.
And you're looking at Stills' numbers but I bet you didn't know he played slot receiver and ran a ton of short routes much like Moore does for us.
That's one of the reasons he is at this point a better overall receiver than Morgan because he has played the slot and the deep threat role and has a much better understanding of the routes.
But yeah, I guess a guy that only caught 10 bombs would have a ridiculous average. What's your point there? Comparing one guy's entire college career without looking into the details to some other guy's 10 catches won't give you a good comparison.
Fact is all 3 can run the 9 and I don't care who does it better. They have all shown they can do it consistently and Toon and Stills have shown they aren't one trick ponies.
I had hope for Morgan this season but Stills and Toon have put me at ease and have shown we will be fine without him.
And you're looking at Stills' numbers but I bet you didn't know he played slot receiver and ran a ton of short routes much like Moore does for us.
That's one of the reasons he is at this point a better overall receiver than Morgan because he has played the slot and the deep threat role and has a much better understanding of the routes.
But yeah, I guess a guy that only caught 10 bombs would have a ridiculous average. What's your point there? Comparing one guy's entire college career without looking into the details to some other guy's 10 catches won't give you a good comparison.
Fact is all 3 can run the 9 and I don't care who does it better. They have all shown they can do it consistently and Toon and Stills have shown they aren't one trick ponies.
I had hope for Morgan this season but Stills and Toon have put me at ease and have shown we will be fine without him.
This post was edited on 8/21/13 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 8/21/13 at 1:05 pm to bonethug0108
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That was one of his 40 times. He also ran a sub 4.4. He said so himself in a video asking why people keep saying he's not a deep threat.
I'm going to go with the offical NFL combine times. Every player at the Combine is going to say they are faster than their listed time.
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And you're looking at Stills' numbers but I bet you didn't know he played slot receiver and ran a ton of short routes much like Moore does for us.
Then you would lose that bet, and it is what I mostly what I based that opinion off of.
In fact, here's is the link from right after we drafted Still where I made the comparison. LINK LINK
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But yeah, I guess a guy that only caught 10 bombs would have a ridiculous average. What's your point there?
My point is, that's exactly what Morgan was. A go route runner that consistenly took the top off of defenses. Can Toon and Stills run go routes- Of course they can, don't be stupid, that isn't what I'm saying.
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Fact is all 3 can run the 9 and I don't care who does it better.
I do, because that is the point of my initial arguement. If Morgan is better at doing it, and he was healthy, that's what he would be doing, and Stills and Toon co do work on seams, outs, slants, etc. Charles Brown can run a 9 route, but whether he is good at it makes a difference.
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Toon and Stills have shown they aren't one trick ponies.
That's awesome, and have never argued otherwise about Toons, Stills, or Morgan not being a one trick pony. The fact that you keep mentioning these things (most of which I agree with) make me feel you don't understand my initial arguement at all, so I'll lay it out for you:
-If healthy, Morgan is our best deep threat, and that's mostly all he does.
-I believe Toon and Stills can run deep routes, but are not as good as a deep threat as Morgan, especially with out Morgan.
-This year, without Morgan, (both Toon and Stills' first regular season in professional football), it is hard to expect them to fill Morgan's role.
This post was edited on 8/21/13 at 1:08 pm
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