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re: Drew Brees: No contract talks with Saints in last 3 months
Posted on 7/25/16 at 10:11 am to Chad504boy
Posted on 7/25/16 at 10:11 am to Chad504boy
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well yes i can, and he's in his prime years and got maxed out at 24.6
Who's that?
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Posted on 7/25/16 at 10:12 am to Tigers_Saints
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Who's that?
andrew luck.
Posted on 7/25/16 at 10:13 am to Chad504boy
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andrew luck.
When did he become a free agent?
He signed a contract extension.
You think he gets under $25 million in an open market? One without a franchise tag?
This post was edited on 7/25/16 at 10:15 am
Posted on 7/25/16 at 10:17 am to Tigers_Saints
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When did he become a free agent?
He signed a contract extension.
You think he gets under $25 million in an open market? One without a franchise tag?
you've yet to show me a justifying comparison for a 30 mill a year contract.
Posted on 7/25/16 at 10:19 am to Chad504boy
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you've yet to show me a justifying comparison for a 30 mill a year contract.
Because this situation hasn't existed in the NFL in a long, long, long time
You just called Andrew Luck, who was under contract and still had the franchise tag that could be used on him, a free agent QB.
An open market drives up prices. It is not a hard concept. It takes 1 team to give a ridiculous offer, and he could be gone. Maybe the Browns with around ~$150m in cap space in 2017 and 2018.
Manning got the largest contract in the NFL coming off a neck surgery after sitting out a year.
This post was edited on 7/25/16 at 10:21 am
Posted on 7/25/16 at 10:21 am to Tigers_Saints
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Because this situation hasn't existed in the NFL in a long, long, long time
You just called Andrew Luck, who was under contract and still had the franchise tag that could be used on him, a free agent QB.
An open market drives up prices. It is not a hard concept. It takes 1 team to give a ridiculous offer, and he could be gone.
andrew luck received an NFL record setting contract. Saints may have to marginally match/beat that. It ain't going to be by 5 mill more a year. If Drew wants to continue on with the browns or dolphins for 30 mill a year, saints will say see ya.
Posted on 7/25/16 at 10:23 am to Chad504boy
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andrew luck received an NFL record setting contract.
Yes, while having a year remaining on his contract, coming off a terrible season, and with the colts having a franchise tag as leverage.
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Saints may have to marginally match/beat that
maybe. Point is that changes after this season.
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It ain't going to be by 5 mill more a year.
I never said the Saints would offer $5 million/year more
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If Drew wants to continue on with the browns or dolphins for 30 mill a year, saints will say see ya.
And that is the entire point
I'll quote what you had an issue with:
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What he wants likely goes up, and you're still taking the risk. He could legitimately ask for $30m +/year.
I'd prefer not to play the "almost sure" game.
If 1 team is willing to pay him $30m, that is his market. Hell, look at how inflated Osweiler's deal was because he hit free agency.
This post was edited on 7/25/16 at 10:26 am
Posted on 7/25/16 at 10:29 am to Tigers_Saints
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maybe. Point is that changes after this season.
No it doesn't.
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I never said the Saints would offer $5 million/year more
were you not spouting a 30 mill number?
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look at how inflated Osweiler's deal was because he hit free agency.
who said his deal was inflated? Houston viewed him as a starting qb and paid appropriately?
Posted on 7/25/16 at 10:31 am to Chad504boy
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No it doesn't.
So he can't negotiate with other teams after this season? The cap doesn't increase from year to year? The franchise tag for him isn't at $40 million? What leverage do the Saints have after he plays out this season (Andrew Luck had plenty)?
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were you not spouting a 30 mill number?
Where did I say the Saints would pay $30 million?
Do I need to explain that to you again? You literally responded to it
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who said his deal was inflated? Houston viewed him as a starting qb and paid appropriately?
He's making more than Carson Palmer, Stafford, Dalton, etc. He's making more than the Broncos were willing to pay him. So it takes 1 team to set the market for a player. Got it
So if the Browns feel he's worth $30 million/year, guess what he's worth?
This post was edited on 7/25/16 at 10:40 am
Posted on 7/25/16 at 10:49 am to Tigers_Saints
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So he can't negotiate with other teams after this season? The cap doesn't increase from year to year? The franchise tag for him isn't at $40 million? What leverage do the Saints have after he plays out this season (Andrew Luck had plenty)?
Continuity, Winning, his Saint legacy. He can go talk to whomever he wants, but his leverage will be he actually has to go play for them.
quote:I don't think elway was a believer in him being a starting qb.
He's making more than the Broncos were willing to pay him.
Posted on 7/25/16 at 10:57 am to Chad504boy
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I don't think elway was a believer in him being a starting qb.
They offered him starting QB money.... $16 million/year
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Continuity, Winning, his Saint legacy. He can go talk to whomever he wants, but his leverage will be he actually has to go play for them.
I've said from the beginning that I agree with this. That doesn't mean that it is a sure thing that he'd take the deal with the Saints. I'd rather not let it get to that.
This post was edited on 7/25/16 at 10:59 am
Posted on 7/25/16 at 11:01 am to Tigers_Saints
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They offered him starting QB money.... $16 million/year
3 yrs 45 million is kind of insulting by today's standards.
Posted on 7/25/16 at 1:53 pm to Tigers_Saints
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$30 million
Aint no one paying Brees avg 30 per long term.
Posted on 7/25/16 at 3:31 pm to whodatfan
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Aint no one paying Brees avg 30 per long term.
Not at 38 years old they aren't.
Posted on 7/25/16 at 3:51 pm to whodatfan
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Aint no one paying Brees avg 30 per long term.
What would you consider long term? Who says it has to be long term?
Also, K. Can you please try actually expressing your full opinion instead of just saying nah uh and not gonna happen.
So far, you've said:
quote:and
No, he can not.
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Aint no one paying Brees avg 30 per long term.
Hard to argue with such brilliantly thought out rebuttals. We have no idea what some front offices would be willing to offer him.
This post was edited on 7/25/16 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 7/25/16 at 7:54 pm to Tigers_Saints
I don't think they want to pay him what he wants with the amount of years Brees wants. There are on only 18 QB's that have played into their 40's and only a handful of them well. Brees could certainly be one that could but he could also decline quickly and we are still paying him 20Mill plus a year until he is 41-41.
40+ QBs
40+ QBs
Posted on 7/25/16 at 9:03 pm to t00f
He's also the only QB that can win a super bowl for us in that timeframe. All in or nothing.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 6:17 am to Tigers_Saints
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Hard to argue with such brilliantly thought out rebuttals. We have no idea what some front offices would be willing to offer him.
Do I need to rehash the obvious reasons and talking points of why? Are you that naive?
Posted on 7/26/16 at 7:59 am to whodatfan
Please do
Keep in mind a team like the Browns that have stockpiled picks and talent, have had 100 QBs in the last 20 years, have a pretty damn good WR group, and just $150 million in cap space in the next 2 years. If the Saints are offering $75 million over 3 years and it takes $90 million to pull him away, I can see them going that route.
Like I said, when you become a FA, it just takes 1 desperate team to inflate prices.
Keep in mind a team like the Browns that have stockpiled picks and talent, have had 100 QBs in the last 20 years, have a pretty damn good WR group, and just $150 million in cap space in the next 2 years. If the Saints are offering $75 million over 3 years and it takes $90 million to pull him away, I can see them going that route.
Like I said, when you become a FA, it just takes 1 desperate team to inflate prices.
This post was edited on 7/26/16 at 8:01 am
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