re: Do we get desparate and take a shot at Hardy?

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In terms of locker room character, yes it would be.

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Yeah, but Junior acting up in the locker room didn't screw the Saints over. Giving him a retarded contract that made him untouchable and a devastating cut fricked the Saints over.

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You mean like the Cowboys did?

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In addition to a base salary of $573,529, Hardy makes a per-game roster bonus of $578,125. With four games played, he already has earned an extra $2.3125 million, which he’ll be paid whether he’s cut or not. And he’ll continue to earn the extra $578,125 per week, along with his base salary, at $33,737 per week.

Likewise, Hardy already has earned a workout bonus of $1.3116 million, which he gets regardless of whether he’s on the team for the rest of the season.

Ultimately, only one aspect of compensation hinges on Hardy being on the roster through the end of the regular season: His incentive payment for sacks.

At eight sacks, he gets $500,000. With two more, the total becomes $1 million. At 12 sacks, the total is $1.4 million. For 14, he gets a total of $1.8 million.

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I didn't say to offer him what the Cowboys offered him. You can offer him a cheap, short term contract that gives him the incentive to behave and perform and seek a payday next year, and one that if he acts up in the lockerroom or elsewhere you can cut him with minimal damage.

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Yet he still acted an arse in Dallas. Is immediately getting into with teammates on the practice field & pushing a defensive coach during a game, really worth it?

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For the Saints right now? For the right price and conditions? Sure.

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frick that piece of shite. No thanks.

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I mean, I get it if you don't like him or want him on the team because he's a POS with a track record. I hate Nick Fairley but I can get behind his signing because this is a business and the Saints need help NOW. There's a lot of athletes that are pieces of shite, I wouldn't handicap my franchise when I have a HOF quarterback with a very small window of years left for a title because I don't like a certain guy's off the field demeanor.

Simply put, I wouldn't rule him out. I would certainly explore the options, weigh my risks, and if I was to offer I would make sure the contract was heavily one sided and short term. One year. If he refuses those conditions then oh well. But to simply rule out the idea all together when the Saints are desperate, and I mean absolutely desperate for any kind of pass rusher is foolish IMO.

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Yeah, but Junior acting up in the locker room didn't screw the Saints over. Giving him a retarded contract that made him untouchable and a devastating cut fricked the Saints over.

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So calling out his head coach (frick Sean video), beefing with Cam Jordan & fist fighting teammates in the locker room didn't ruin team chemistry? Good Lord dude you are reaching now. Galette had the locker room so divided Payton made it a point last draft to select players who fit the mold of being solid teammates. It's funny how quickly some people forget just how much shite came out about Junior's antics behind the scenes.

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So calling out his head coach (frick Sean video), beefing with Cam Jordan & fist fighting teammates in the locker room didn't ruin team chemistry?

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Did that happen before or after he was signed to a monster contract? Junior Galette was a douche nozzle who absolutely destroyed team chemistry. You're attacking a strawman right now as I'm not in any way, shape, or form defending Galette. What I'm saying is those things became truly organizationally destructive as a result of the fact that he was locked in on a massive contract. The Saints handled him exactly the correct way by cutting him but it was devastating because of the contract. So he and Hardy are not comparable in terms of the risks to the team and organization because we know Hardy's risks and we can sign him to a very minimal risk contract. This isn't rocket science.

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Good Lord dude you are reaching now. Galette had the locker room so divided Payton made it a point last draft to select players who fit the mold of being solid teammates. It's funny how quickly some people forget just how much shite came out about Junior's antics behind the scenes.

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Once again, I'm in no way defending Galette. My point is that what really fricked us with him was that he was locked in contractually. I'm not suggesting we should do that with Hardy. I'm looking at it from the perspective that you evaluate him, make a determination on whether you think you can utilize for a year, offer a very low risk contract if you think you can, and be completely willing to cut ties with him at any point, even if he performs. We just need to buy a year until Kikaha *fingers crossed* can come back healthy and we can address DE next offseason.

Again, I understand the viewpoint of not signing him for all the reasons you laid out and I think it's a completely legitimate POV. But I wouldn't exclude him from consideration outright.

Don't taze me bro.

Yes I want to win now while he have a QB and I'm willing to dance with the devil to do it. This is the NFL not Pop Warner.

#justwinbaby

Just curious, are there any established ST posters who think we should go after Hardy?

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Just curious, are there any established ST posters who think we should go after Hardy?

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I mean, if we get him at the vet minimum with no guaranteed money, then we can cut him the very moment he causes us trouble. I still wouldn't do it, though. And that's coming from someone that doesn't mind sub-par character players that can help us win. I was tired of Junior's turdishness, and I still probably wouldn't have cut him (though I'm obviously not a part of the locker room, he may have been causing problems). He was still a stud when we let him go, and I would have preferred our coaches try to work it out, despite how difficult that would be. Hardy just isn't worth it. If you came to me from the year 2017 (drinking your filthy space bourbon and eating space Doritos) and told me that he would get 10 sacks this season while starting one minor scuffle, I'd be down despite his turd history. But I think, realistically, his best case scenario is around 6 sacks and pissing off 25% of the team. I know what he did in 2013. I'm just not interested as I don't think he'll play half as well.

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I'm all about taking a chance on Freeney too but again, the contract has to be right.

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I promise you that his contract will "be right." I suspect that he left Arizona, Atlanta, and a few other teams without a deal because they didn't think that he'd be a big time contributor worth making the team over young potential. NOT because he was asking for too much money. If that's the case, that might lower your expectations of him. Thing is, teams thought the same thing last season and he TORE shite UP in limited playing time. He's obviously a stopgap, but I think 2016, 37 year old Freeney is still probably better than what we would have gotten out of Kikaha. Old arse quarterbacks are changing perceptions. Interior DL and OL have been lasting forever as of late. I don't see why a 37 year old, future HoF DE couldn't join the club.

Thank you for responding to my response. I'm 1.5 sheets into the wind. Working on that final .5 sheet.

His team last season finished
4 & 12, no thanks.