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deflate-gate vs pumping in crowd noise
Posted on 5/13/15 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 5/13/15 at 8:59 pm
I keep listening to people say the Patriots cheated by deflating footballs. They say that this gave the Pats a competitive advantage.
I don't really care one way or another.
However, how the frick does pumping in crowd noise not do the same thing?
Pats - bent over Goodell's knee and blistered.
Falcons - baby mini slap on the wrist.
Somebody please explain.
I don't really care one way or another.
However, how the frick does pumping in crowd noise not do the same thing?
Pats - bent over Goodell's knee and blistered.
Falcons - baby mini slap on the wrist.
Somebody please explain.
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Posted on 5/13/15 at 9:02 pm to blueboxer1119
Atlanta completely cooperated with the investigation, admitted culpability, and didn't lie to Roger.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 9:04 pm to blueboxer1119
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Pats - bent over Goodell's knee and blistered.
Obviously you're not a Saints fan.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 9:20 pm to s-man
frick Roger
Posted on 5/13/15 at 9:23 pm to blueboxer1119
quote:fify
Pats - baby mini slap on the wrist
Falcons - microtap on a pimple
Posted on 5/13/15 at 9:23 pm to Suntiger
I'm a huge Saints fan.
Bounty gate and this deflate gate stuff is ridiculous.
I don't understand the lack of consistency with Goodell.
Bounty gate and this deflate gate stuff is ridiculous.
I don't understand the lack of consistency with Goodell.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 7:29 am to blueboxer1119
Because the Birds actually cooperated and admitted to fricking up, where the pats did the normal pats thing and stonewalled the NFL.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 7:53 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
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Because the Birds actually cooperated and admitted to fricking up, where the pats did the normal pats thing and stonewalled the NFL.
That isn't what the report said. Pats cooperated and it says the organization didn't know about it
Posted on 5/14/15 at 8:05 am to TigerBait1127
Actually, the report says they didn't cooperate fully. They wouldn't let Wells interview one of the ball guys a second time to ask him specifically about his text messages and of course Brady wouldn't turn over his text messages at all. It also said that they didn't believe Brady was being completely truthful.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 8:47 am to blueboxer1119
A football is on the field and is the only item that is touched EVERY play. It is the single most important thing on the field. Impacts throws, impacts catching, impacts fumbles, etc.
Crowd noise at best impacts the opposing team on Offense and even most ex NFL QBs have said that most teams do this and it's not as big of a deal as it once was.
Look, ATL cheated but comparing the 2 isn't even close.
Crowd noise at best impacts the opposing team on Offense and even most ex NFL QBs have said that most teams do this and it's not as big of a deal as it once was.
Look, ATL cheated but comparing the 2 isn't even close.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 8:52 am to DoubleDown
It doesn't really matter. Neither team was really punished for what they did. Also, it's the second time that the Pats got caught cheating and only atl first transgression.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 8:52 am to DoubleDown
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Look, ATL cheated but comparing the 2 isn't even close.
Sure it is. Competitive advantage is cheating. I understand you are biased. I get it.
Just stick to the fact that your organization admitted fault, fully cooperated, and, for all we know, full eradicated the problem. Also, this is the only thing you were caught with. That's why the penalty was lighter.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 9:04 am to Suntiger
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It doesn't really matter. Neither team was really punished for what they did. Also, it's the second time that the Pats got caught cheating and only atl first transgression.
I would say NE did get punished. A 1st, 4th, and lose your HOF QB for 4 games.
Atlanta got pretty much nothing.
That's what frustrates me.
I'm not saying NE should have gotten more or less. I'm saying ATL should have been punished way more than they were, based on NE punishment.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 10:33 am to s-man
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and of course Brady wouldn't turn over his text messages at all. It also said that they didn't believe Brady was being completely truthful.
Right, but that is an NFLPA issue and not a Pats organization issue
Here is the quote from the report and it contradicts itself
quote:
The Patriots provided cooperation throughout the investigation, including by
making personnel and information available to us upon request. Counsel for the Patriots,
however, refused to make Jim McNally available for a follow-up interview requested by our
investigative team on what we believed were important topics, despite our offer to meet at any
time and location that would be convenient for McNally. Counsel for the Patriots apparently
refused even to inform McNally of our request. We believe the failure by the Patriots and its
counsel to produce McNally for the requested follow-up interview violated the club?s obligations
to cooperate with the investigation under the Policy on Integrity of the Game & Enforcement of
League Rules and was inconsistent with public statements made by the Patriots pledging full
cooperation with the investigation.
This post was edited on 5/14/15 at 10:36 am
Posted on 5/14/15 at 10:50 am to SaintEB
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Sure it is. Competitive advantage is cheating. I understand you are biased. I get it.
I am biased. But that's like saying murder and jaywalking are the same. They're both crimes, right?
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Just stick to the fact that your organization admitted fault, fully cooperated, and, for all we know, full eradicated the problem. Also, this is the only thing you were caught with. That's why the penalty was lighter.
I don't disagree with this statement. It's also the same reason NO got smacked as harshly as they did. Goodell and company emphatically stated that they had warned NO for 2 years to cut it out with the bounty crap.
Or as they like to call it in the NCAA, lack of institutional control.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 10:56 am to DoubleDown
Still believe the seahags are pumping in noise somehow.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 11:11 am to blueboxer1119
Deflating the balls lead to a significantly better fumble rate for the patriots. League average Is about 1 fumble every 105 carries. The pats were number one by a large margin at 1 fumble every 180 carries.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 11:17 am to blueboxer1119
Because everything is shite in Atlanta, so I'm sure the speakers were blown anyways.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 11:31 am to DoubleDown
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But that's like saying murder and jaywalking are the same. They're both crimes, right?
Wow. No. The Pats and Falcons didn't commit crimes. They tried to, allegedly in the Pats case, gain a competitive advantage. You are just stupid if you can't see the similarities. Taking PEDs, deflating balls, piping in crowd noise...all the same except for the aspect that one was an organizational issue, while the others could be individual player gains.
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It's also the same reason NO got smacked as harshly as they did. Goodell and company emphatically stated that they had warned NO for 2 years to cut it out with the bounty crap.
I think everyone knows that the NFL went excessive, not for their "warnings" but the lawsuits at the time. That shite was borderline insane when they didn't even gain a competitive advantage. Yes, it was against league rules, so a punishment was justified. What the NFL did was asinine.
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Or as they like to call it in the NCAA, lack of institutional control.
There are arguments to be made for this in each of these cases (Atl, NE, NOLA). Someone, somewhere was ignoring an issue. That goes to the top.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 12:20 pm to SaintEB
Atlanta and the pats should have to sit out for an entire season. The NFL is a very prestigious league. Cheating should not be tolerated. Sharper, OJ and othes must be outraged.
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