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Dead Money Culprit
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:28 pm
So who is really to blame here? Seems like most are placing the blame on Loomis. In my opinion, the problem is that the players that we are bringing in aren't working out and not necessarily a function of contract structures. The real problem is our inability to evaluate talent, be it via free agency or the draft.
If that is the case then isn't it the head coach who has final say? I'd place the blame much more so on coach instead of Loomis. I'm not here to exonerate Loomis for anything. It just seems like his role in the root cause of the problem is much smaller than the head coach's.
Am I way off base here?
If that is the case then isn't it the head coach who has final say? I'd place the blame much more so on coach instead of Loomis. I'm not here to exonerate Loomis for anything. It just seems like his role in the root cause of the problem is much smaller than the head coach's.
Am I way off base here?
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Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:32 pm to PokerPlayingTiger
Junior Galette $12,100,000 - Dude started thugging it (heck of a udfa find though amirite)
Keenan Lewis $6,350,000 - great signing, injury happened
Jahri Evans $5,100,000- awesome career, every great isn't worth their contract at a point, bit of injury bug
CJ Spiller $4,500,000- didn't work, smells like a payton toy
Brandon Browner $4,050,000- bad signing, blame them all
Marques Colston $2,700,000- see jahri, no blame again
David Hawthorne $2,260,000- was a decent enough signing, wasn't worth cap space but his time here wasn't too bad
Brodrick Bunkley $1,612,500- good signing at the time, was no longer worth his vet deal
Erik Lorig $500,000
Stanley Jean-Baptiste $482,448
TOTAL $40,405,183
I mean, for all the "bad personnel" moves, there really isn't many to sit here and bitch about.
Keenan Lewis $6,350,000 - great signing, injury happened
Jahri Evans $5,100,000- awesome career, every great isn't worth their contract at a point, bit of injury bug
CJ Spiller $4,500,000- didn't work, smells like a payton toy
Brandon Browner $4,050,000- bad signing, blame them all
Marques Colston $2,700,000- see jahri, no blame again
David Hawthorne $2,260,000- was a decent enough signing, wasn't worth cap space but his time here wasn't too bad
Brodrick Bunkley $1,612,500- good signing at the time, was no longer worth his vet deal
Erik Lorig $500,000
Stanley Jean-Baptiste $482,448
TOTAL $40,405,183
I mean, for all the "bad personnel" moves, there really isn't many to sit here and bitch about.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:34 pm to PokerPlayingTiger
It's definitely Loomis.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:35 pm to 79
For what reason(s) do you think it is "definitely Loomis" instead of the head coach?
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:35 pm to PokerPlayingTiger
Blame to be placed all around really. The talent evaluator, the GM for the contract structuring and dollar amount, coaches for bad schemes that maybe the player doesn't fit in to, and then lastly the player due to some getting paid and then become complacent and stop putting forth the effort.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:36 pm to Chad504boy
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Junior Galette $12,100,000 - Dude started thugging it (heck of a udfa find though amirite)
Keenan Lewis $6,350,000 - great signing, injury happened
Jahri Evans $5,100,000- awesome career, every great isn't worth their contract at a point, bit of injury bug
CJ Spiller $4,500,000- didn't work, smells like a payton toy
Brandon Browner $4,050,000- bad signing, blame them all
Marques Colston $2,700,000- see jahri, no blame again
David Hawthorne $2,260,000- was a decent enough signing, wasn't worth cap space but his time here wasn't too bad
Brodrick Bunkley $1,612,500- good signing at the time, was no longer worth his vet deal
Erik Lorig $500,000
Stanley Jean-Baptiste $482,448
TOTAL $40,405,183
Shouldn't Jimmy Graham be on there?
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:39 pm to Tiny Rick
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Blame to be placed all around really. The talent evaluator, the GM for the contract structuring and dollar amount, coaches for bad schemes that maybe the player doesn't fit in to, and then lastly the player due to some getting paid and then become complacent and stop putting forth the effort.
Hard to argue with this. I just feel that if the talent evaluation was correct then we wouldn't be having this discussion. All other aspects become factor only because the talent evaluation was horrific.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:40 pm to Chad504boy
Galette went apeshit.
Lewis caught a bad injury bug.
We actually have Evans cheaper overall than before we cut him, even with the dead money.
Who the frick knows on Spiller. That turned out to be a frick up.
Ditto for Browner.
Colston averages out to less than his per year even with the dead money so we came out ahead on that contract.
Ditto for Hawthorne though he was never that good so overpaid. Lost a little on this one.
Bunkley was good when healthy and not that much dead money.
Eveyone else is too little to complain about.
So the only two real frick ups were Spiller and Browner. If Galette hadn't gone mental no one would be discussing this.
Lewis caught a bad injury bug.
We actually have Evans cheaper overall than before we cut him, even with the dead money.
Who the frick knows on Spiller. That turned out to be a frick up.
Ditto for Browner.
Colston averages out to less than his per year even with the dead money so we came out ahead on that contract.
Ditto for Hawthorne though he was never that good so overpaid. Lost a little on this one.
Bunkley was good when healthy and not that much dead money.
Eveyone else is too little to complain about.
So the only two real frick ups were Spiller and Browner. If Galette hadn't gone mental no one would be discussing this.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:42 pm to PokerPlayingTiger
We only horribly missed on two of these with talent evaluation (Spiller and Browner), one of which may be partially due to injury.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:54 pm to bonethug0108
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We only horribly missed on two of these with talent evaluation (Spiller and Browner), one of which may be partially due to injury.
I say choosing to extend Galette was a big mistake. He was here for a year so we should have known what type of person he was.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:56 pm to Chad504boy
From the responses so far, it seems like this whole situation is more attributable to bad luck than any kind of incompetence.
I can't really argue we have had plenty of bad luck. I had just been hearing a lot on this issue and Loomis being thrown under the bus, so I was just trying to better understand why.
I can't really argue we have had plenty of bad luck. I had just been hearing a lot on this issue and Loomis being thrown under the bus, so I was just trying to better understand why.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:57 pm to PokerPlayingTiger
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He was here for a year so we should have known what type of person he was.
and the patriots should have known aaron hernandez too.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 4:00 pm to Chad504boy
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and the patriots should have known aaron hernandez too.
They never extended his contract.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 4:03 pm to PokerPlayingTiger
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They never extended his contract.
you should double check your facts.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 4:06 pm to Chad504boy
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you should double check your facts
I stand corrected.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 4:09 pm to PokerPlayingTiger
they gave him that 30 day extension 30 days after there was a boston incident he was brought up in with a shooting or some shite. i don't think galette had gotten into shite yet when a saint.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 4:17 pm to Chad504boy
Galette was the only other player on the list to question. So it sounds like our situation is more bad luck than anything else.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 4:19 pm to PokerPlayingTiger
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So it sounds like our situation is more bad luck than anything else.
yep, saints did more of the honorable thing to cut galette despite the HUGE Cap ramifications. collectively its quite the unusual circumstance but the saints have quickly transitioned from a veteran roster to extremely youthful.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 4:32 pm to Chad504boy
Pretty well broken down IMO, thanks...
Maybe everyone should put their pitchforks down... I can remember the board being excited as frick when we signed Browner, Lewis, and Spiller, now most people here are saying that our FO and CSP suck for bringing them in... Hindsight is always 20/20
Maybe everyone should put their pitchforks down... I can remember the board being excited as frick when we signed Browner, Lewis, and Spiller, now most people here are saying that our FO and CSP suck for bringing them in... Hindsight is always 20/20
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