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re: Dashon Goldson FA
Posted on 3/5/13 at 10:33 am to Brettesaurus Rex
Posted on 3/5/13 at 10:33 am to Brettesaurus Rex
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They were the #87 and 88 rated safeties out of 88
Its not like it's unabashed criticism
True. But besides Cam, Hicks, Lofton and Greer the whole defense played poorly.
And as far as Jenkins and Harper are concerned, I think they were misused by Spags. Jenkins was given too much space to cover and Harper was given space to cover until week eight or nine when he was pretty much made a LBer, then in week twelve he was playing back again. It was like Spags had no idea what he was doing the whole damn season.
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Posted on 3/5/13 at 10:55 am to Bduhon55
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and Jenkins showed improvement last year.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 11:06 am to Suntiger
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I think they were misused by Spags. Jenkins was given too much space to cover
Wasn't the same thing said about Jenkins under Williams too? I remember everyone used to say that since we blitzed so much, Jenkins had to cover too much of the field by himself and Spags' scheme would be a better fit.
I was optimistic as hell about Jenkins a couple of years ago, and was a big Harper defender, but these guys have to be replaced. No reason at all to keep playing them. No more excuses about what scheme fits better, or the lack of talent around them. We went through 2 D coordinator's with two completely different schemes and neither of them fit Jenkins or Harper. IAQ plays with the same guys around Jenkins and out played him by MILES. At this point, I'm willing to try anyone else with a pulse at SS whether it is Bush, White, or a draft pick like Vaccaro or Rambo.
This post was edited on 3/5/13 at 11:08 am
Posted on 3/5/13 at 11:11 am to mm2316
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Wasn't the same thing said about Jenkins under Williams too?
I think we all thought he did great as a nickle/rover guy. When he moved to FS, he did well, but not great both years. Last year was the suck fest for the enitre defense.
That being said, IAQ played really well. He should have had more PT at safety and Jenkins more at nickle in the former DC's scheme last year. I think we all knew that except the former DC.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 11:12 am to mm2316
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Wasn't the same thing said about Jenkins under Williams too?
Yep. And it's not like he hasn't had his chance. There's plenty of film on the guy. When is the experiment over?
Posted on 3/5/13 at 11:15 am to Suntiger
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Jenkins was given too much space to cover
90% of playing free safety is being able to guess on routes. Jenkins is horrible at that. The times you see him out of position for tackles is when he guesses wrong. When you are in a cover 1, yes, your FS is out on an island, and it's a little more acceptable to misjudge or just not be able to catch up to a receiver.
But I've seen him be out of place on just about every play all year. Some of that can be confusion with the new system. I'm of the mindset that he's a below average player in a system he just never understood.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 11:18 am to Patrick O Rly
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When is the experiment over?
Hopefully now.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 11:20 am to bountyhunter
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90% of playing free safety is being able to guess on routes. Jenkins is horrible at that.
Even when he does guess right, he can't do nuttin' bout it. Remember the throw to Meachem last year?
Posted on 3/5/13 at 7:34 pm to bountyhunter
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90% of playing free safety is being able to guess on routes
I disagree with this completely. You don't guess. You "read" what is happening....
To use a metaphor, as a hitter in baseball, are you guessing at the pitch??? Only at the pro level and with the very small percentage of them that throw 95 and above fastballs, and 83 changes, then you have to guess.
Otherwise at every other level, it is "reading" what is happening and reacting. Simple
Posted on 3/5/13 at 7:42 pm to AnotherRound
IMHO.... (and to summarize what some have said)
I think we have some fat (that we are going to trim) and DBs have been pretty lack luster for years. (I can appreciate Harper a bit and Greer for Nickel coverage, Jenkins has talent...but as a whole, needs improvement IMO.)
I see this as a top target for the aforementioned reasons and we can take from SF. He is a great hitter and I like his ferocity. I hate seeing the DBs being so bland another year.
I think we have some fat (that we are going to trim) and DBs have been pretty lack luster for years. (I can appreciate Harper a bit and Greer for Nickel coverage, Jenkins has talent...but as a whole, needs improvement IMO.)
I see this as a top target for the aforementioned reasons and we can take from SF. He is a great hitter and I like his ferocity. I hate seeing the DBs being so bland another year.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 8:53 pm to AnotherRound
The defense doesn't need to be tweaked. The defense needs to be deconstructed and rebuilt from the ground up. Goldson is an attitude player. He hits like a LB and scares the hell out of WR's, TE's and RB's. Sign him. Cut Smith, Vilma and Harper for sure. Sick of people making excuses for these guys. Their days are done here and each is on the downside of their careers. I would be all over this guy. He is a playmaking difference maker.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 9:00 pm to AnotherRound
Sign the mofo. Sign em' all dammit.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 9:02 pm to Da #1 Stunna
I don't agree we should sign Goldson, but I do agree that we need to stop making excuses for under performing players. Smith needs to just go. Vilma can be of some use. Harper is just not worth his contract.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 9:24 pm to AnotherRound
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I disagree with this completely. You don't guess. You "read" what is happening....
And my read on your statement is you are reading to deeply on my own statement. But yes, "read" is probably a better way to say that. Semantics Nazi.
Posted on 3/6/13 at 12:19 am to bountyhunter
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And my read on your statement is you are reading to deeply on my own statement.
Hey, you used the word "guess," not me. I can only read what you write.
The thing about playing DB (and more so in particular for a S) is that you have to have a very good feel for the game, routes, and ball skills - and these things just increase more as you increase in the level of competition. You are the Q on the defense IMO b/c of the nondescript nature of things, but can have an immense impact on the game. (at least this is my perspective as a former S and maybe I am partial).
I think Goldson is a must get - he cures a lot of our ills.
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