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re: Biggest 1st rd RB bust?
Posted on 6/13/13 at 7:23 pm to John McClane
Posted on 6/13/13 at 7:23 pm to John McClane
quote:Simmer down
Kill yourself. Seriously.
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Posted on 6/13/13 at 7:30 pm to Melvin
Vaughn Dunbar.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 7:34 pm to sicboy
I had him as a pe coach at Jesuit. Did nothing but talk on his cell phone and try to sell us bootlegged dvd's haha
Posted on 6/13/13 at 7:37 pm to geauxtigers87
Wiki
You can hate on the other three, but that's pretty busty for a 1st rounder. And one of those years wasn't with us.
quote:
The New Orleans Saints selected Dunbar in the first round, 21st pick overall, of the NFL Draft, and he played for the Saints in 1992 and again in 1994 and 1995. He finished his NFL career with the Jacksonville Jaguars in 1995. In his three NFL seasons, he compiled 965 rushing yards and five touchdowns on 267 carries.
You can hate on the other three, but that's pretty busty for a 1st rounder. And one of those years wasn't with us.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 7:42 pm to chilge1
Dunbar, forgot his first name.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 7:48 pm to lookapypy
Too bad the previous 3 posts aren't any help..........
Posted on 6/13/13 at 8:39 pm to DBeaux225
Ingram was the 28th pick. We gave up a second round pick and traded 1st rounders. Williams was a five and bush was 2cd overall. We gave up everything on Williams, he was a tremendous flop as far as a setback for the team. Deuce was drafted Ricky's second year, maybe third to replace him? He was an extreme distraction and let down. Ingram is not in the discussion in my mind.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 8:44 pm to chilge1
quote:
1st round is supposed to mean immediate impact
By this theory I guess Deuce was a bust as well. Top ten picks are immediate impact guys. Not 28th. Compare apples to apples please.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 8:51 pm to djrunner
quote:
By this theory I guess Deuce was a bust as well
Deuce's 2nd season he went to the Pro-bowl so they aren't comparable.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 8:56 pm to saintsfan22
"By this theory I guess Deuce was a bust as well"
"Deuce's 2nd season he went to the Pro-bowl so they aren't comparable."
Don't take my statement out of context. He had 91 yards his first year. That is not an' immediate impact' as I was debating.
This post was edited on 6/13/13 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 6/13/13 at 9:09 pm to chilge1
Bush was suppose to be a once in a life time player and wasn't. We got Ingram for a 2nd and a 1st we would have lost anyway.
Ricky was our entire draft calss and ditched us. I go
Ricky (as a saint)
Reggie
INgram
Ricky was our entire draft calss and ditched us. I go
Ricky (as a saint)
Reggie
INgram
Posted on 6/13/13 at 9:14 pm to djrunner
First of all, MI gets a little too much criticism. He has been disapointing, but he isn't complete shite.
Secondly and pretty off topic from this thread, I just wanted to comment on how poorly managed Deuce was his rookie year. He only got 16 carries. One of those was a 50 yard touchdown run. It made no sense that he didn't get more opportunities. How stupid was Haslett?
Secondly and pretty off topic from this thread, I just wanted to comment on how poorly managed Deuce was his rookie year. He only got 16 carries. One of those was a 50 yard touchdown run. It made no sense that he didn't get more opportunities. How stupid was Haslett?
Posted on 6/13/13 at 9:17 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
Bush was suppose to be a once in a life time player and wasn't. We got Ingram for a 2nd and a 1st we would have lost anyway. Ricky was our entire draft calss and ditched us. I go Ricky (as a saint) Reggie INgram
This^
Posted on 6/13/13 at 9:30 pm to chilge1
Ingram, but I wouldn't really call him a bust.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 11:14 pm to chilge1
Hands down it is Williams. Gave up everything for Williams
Pick #12 (Rd. 1) in the 1999 NFL Draft
Pick #71 (Rd. 3) in the 1999 NFL Draft
Pick #106 (Rd. 4) in the 1999 NFL Draft
Pick #144 (Rd. 5) in the 1999 NFL Draft
Pick #179 (Rd. 6) in the 1999 NFL Draft
Pick #218 (Rd. 7) in the 1999 NFL Draft
Pick #2 (Rd. 1) in the 2000 NFL Draft
Pick #64 (Rd. 3) in the 2000 NFL Draft
And Essentially gave up a 2nd rounder for Ingram.
Williams first 2 years
Games played: 22
Rushes: 501
Yards: 1884
YPC: -------->>>>> 3.7 (Avg. only 3.8 with the saints)
TDs: 10
Fumbles/Lost: 12/6
Ingram first 2 years:
Games played: 26
Rushes: 278
Yards: 1078
YPC: 3.9
TDs: 10
Fumbles/Lost: 1/1
Williams had much better receiving numbers but that is because he had Lamar Smith, Wilmont Perry and (end of career) Terry Allen instead of two of the best pass catching RBs in the league like Sproles and Thomas.
Pick #12 (Rd. 1) in the 1999 NFL Draft
Pick #71 (Rd. 3) in the 1999 NFL Draft
Pick #106 (Rd. 4) in the 1999 NFL Draft
Pick #144 (Rd. 5) in the 1999 NFL Draft
Pick #179 (Rd. 6) in the 1999 NFL Draft
Pick #218 (Rd. 7) in the 1999 NFL Draft
Pick #2 (Rd. 1) in the 2000 NFL Draft
Pick #64 (Rd. 3) in the 2000 NFL Draft
And Essentially gave up a 2nd rounder for Ingram.
Williams first 2 years
Games played: 22
Rushes: 501
Yards: 1884
YPC: -------->>>>> 3.7 (Avg. only 3.8 with the saints)
TDs: 10
Fumbles/Lost: 12/6
Ingram first 2 years:
Games played: 26
Rushes: 278
Yards: 1078
YPC: 3.9
TDs: 10
Fumbles/Lost: 1/1
Williams had much better receiving numbers but that is because he had Lamar Smith, Wilmont Perry and (end of career) Terry Allen instead of two of the best pass catching RBs in the league like Sproles and Thomas.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 11:51 pm to Noplacelikehome
quote:
Gave up everything for Williams
This. Ditka was a dumbass for what he did. I honestly would not trade that much for ANY player.
Because of that it's Williams>>>>>Ingram>>Bush.
More and more teams are starting to not draft 1st round RB's.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 12:26 am to whodidthat
quote:
This. Ditka was a dumbass for what he did. I honestly would not trade that much for ANY player.
we ended up getting a couple of first round picks in return for Ricky when he was traded to Miami.
picking in the Dolphins spot at #25 in 2002, we got Charles Grant. Say what you will about his last few years in N.O. but he got off to a good start notching a few double digit sack totals to start out with. I don't think he did in his rookie year though...
then after Williams gained over 1500 yards for Miami in 2002, we ended taking their first round pick again. The pick was some conditional type of thing as you might imagine.
but... the Saints picked Jonathon Sullivan at #6 in the 2003 draft. They traded both the #17 and #18 picks to the Cardinals to move up to take his fat arse.
This post was edited on 6/14/13 at 12:28 am
Posted on 6/14/13 at 12:50 am to LooseCannon22282
Yeah, but it doesn't really make up for it.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 1:03 am to whodidthat
yeah, I know. 
just going down ole memory lane.
would have ended a lot better had we taken Terrell Suggs, Troy Polamalu, Kevin Williams, or Marcus Trufant.
just going down ole memory lane.
would have ended a lot better had we taken Terrell Suggs, Troy Polamalu, Kevin Williams, or Marcus Trufant.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 6:32 am to chilge1
quote:
Williams
You call 12,615 yards from scrimmage with over 10,000 of those rushing and 76 total TD's a bust?
What do you call a non-bust?
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