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Awesome read on the new defense.

Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:13 pm
Posted by Patrick O Rly
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:13 pm


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In theory, the Saints should have more opportunities to intercept passes this year, both because of the confusion they'll create and because defensive backs will have their eyes on the ball more often.

And that's a huge priority, considering the Saints were tied for 28th in the NFL last year with just nine interceptions.

"There won't be so many guys with their back turned to the ball. More guys will be breaking downhill on it," Harper said. "And the thing is, when a ball gets tipped, somebody's going to run and catch it, because more people are looking at the quarterback instead of looking at your man all the time."

Harper's role likely will change quite a bit. Under Williams, he blitzed about 30 percent of the time, which is a lot for a safety. Chances are, he still will blitz often because it's such a strength of his, but not as much.
Harper's pass coverage, meanwhile, has been inconsistent, to say the least. So his ability to succeed in a new system is a looming question.

Bowen, however, thinks both safeties will have an opportunity to make more plays in the new scheme because they will be allowed to read their keys, read the football and play faster. He thinks free safety Malcolm Jenkins, especially, could be the biggest beneficiary of the switch because he had to do a lot more thinking in Williams' defense, where he often lined up as the lone safety net.

Bowen also said he is just a "big believer in zone coverages, especially in today's game," because it takes away the vertical passing game.

"You can throw the slant route. That's great. But you got to throw 15 of those to get down the field," Bowen said. "And offenses will get impatient, and they might panic."


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Posted by eyeran
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:33 pm to
Same story every offseason. Defense looks great in training camp, huge improvements coming. Blah, blah, blah.

I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, they're just a bunch of guys blowing our chances at Superbowls.
Posted by Patrick O Rly
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:39 pm to
Love the optimism.
Posted by eyeran
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:40 pm to
Fool me once....

Fool me 5 years in a row and I'm a fricking moron.
Posted by eXfaktor
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:49 pm to
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Fool me 5 years in a row


2009 we had an opportunistic D...
Posted by MinnesotaTiger
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:54 pm to
great find, patrick
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:58 pm to
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MinnesotaTiger


Why are you still on this board?
Posted by eyeran
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 10:04 pm to
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2009 we had an opportunistic D...
We had Darren Sharper playing at an all pro level and Will Smith actually doing his job. The defense was still ranked at the bottom of the league.

Im just tired of everybody but our players and management getting blamed. We're in a pattern of changing DCs every three years.

We were too conservative, then we were too aggresive. Now we're going back to the 2006 model.

Spags can obviously coach, but the Giants Dline isnt lining up for him here. Heck a St. Louis Rams caliber Dline isnt lining up here.

This post was edited on 7/31/12 at 10:12 pm
Posted by geauxtigahs87
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 10:17 pm to
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I'll believe it when I see it.
Posted by Northwestern tiger
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 10:21 pm to
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"It's going to be a huge change. About every scheme thing imaginable is completely flip-flopped," said linebacker Scott Shanle, who said Spagnuolo's approach "takes me back to '06, '07 and '08" when Gary Gibbs was running the Saints' defense


scares the crap out of me
Posted by Patrick O Rly
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 10:23 pm to
The thing I think that's different from Gibbs and GW is that Spags isn't ultra conservative like Gibbs, but not hyper aggressive like GW. I also think we have better over all talent level, especially at the linebacker position.

So what I'm expecting this year is a d-line that is tasked with getting after the QB (and not just occupying blockers for blitzers) and a back 7 that's facing the ball ready to make a play.

Spags scheme is still aggressive, but it's creates real confusion. GW seemed to think that you could create confusion by formation, while Spags wants to create confusion ambiguous player assignments.

I've said this before: I don't think GW was a bad coordinator. I simply think that he descended into madness. He saw the effectiveness of the offense and it gave him this unfounded hubris.
Posted by MinnesotaTiger
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 10:27 pm to
Saints season ticket holder since 1997. How about you, chief?
Posted by Patrick O Rly
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 10:28 pm to
You have to think of the talent level we had in the Gibbs years. Mike McKenzie was probably the only guy in our defense (if younger in healthy) that would have a chance to start on our defense.

Gibbs was also very "safe" but gave up the big play often. Spags isn't as aggressive as GW, but he's still aggressive.
Posted by Patrick O Rly
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 10:29 pm to
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Saints season ticket scalper since 1997.


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Posted by MinnesotaTiger
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 10:36 pm to
U mad?
Posted by eyeran
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 10:37 pm to
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The thing I think that's different from Gibbs and GW is that Spags isn't ultra conservative like Gibbs, but not hyper aggressive like GW. I also think we have better over all talent level, especially at the linebacker position.
Yeah I definitely think we're better at Linebacker and probably better in the secondary as well. I don't we're any better on the dline than we were under Gibbs however, which is why i'm still not really optimistic about our pass rush.

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I've said this before: I don't think GW was a bad coordinator. I simply think that he descended into madness. He saw the effectiveness of the offense and it gave him this unfounded hubris.
I agree, he totally lost his mind at the end. The 4th quarter against SF was unforgivable.
I do think its become really easy to blame EVERYTHING on GW. His madness looked a lot better in 2009 when Will Smith was actually getting to the QB and Sharper was doing what Jenkins hasn't been able to do.

Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 11:13 pm to
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I've said this before: I don't think GW was a bad coordinator. I simply think that he descended into madness. He saw the effectiveness of the offense and it gave him this unfounded hubris.


I disagree with this. While some may not remember but there were signs in '09 season of flaws in Gregg Williams scheme. Even in that Super Bowl season, the defense gave up its share of big plays & made QB's like Chad Henne & Jason Campbell look like MVP candidates.

There were 3 factors that aided in the success of getting so many turnovers that season & eventually lead to being a championship squad.

One was the fact that the defensive scheme was new. Opponents didn't have film on Williams' scheme using the defensive players on the Saints roster. Yes, there was film on Gregg's scheme from his stops in Tennessee, Buffalo & Washington but with each stop came different tweeks for different personnel. Advantage Saints.

Secondly, Williams' scheme allowed for freelancing by certain players. Veteran players like Fujita, Vilma & Sharper used their knowledge & recognition to make some big plays & get some huge turnovers because of this.

Finally, Will Smith had his best season rushing the passer. His 13 sacks that season hasn't come close to being reached by any Saints defender since that season.

Once there was more film on Williams defense with the Saints, Fujita left for Cleveland, father time caught up to Sharper & Will Smith being MIA when it comes to rushing the passer that's when began to hardly see turnovers & numerous big plays given up. Blitzing is all Williams knows. When you blitz LB's & safeties as much as Williams did, you are going to allow for huge voids in your secondary which equals big plays for the opposition.
Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 11:30 pm to
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We were too conservative, then we were too aggresive. Now we're going back to the 2006 model.


Your anticipation of 2012 defense as far as scheme is incorrect. Yes, the defense will be playing more zone concepts, just as they did under Gibbs but the concepts by the front 7 will be TOTALLY different.

Spags will still be aggressive but calculated as well. Williams on the other hand was wreckless. The zone blitzing schemes Spags is implementing alone will help in causing confusion for opposing offensive lineman & QB's as well. That confusion will lead to more mistakes & more turnovers for the defense.

Throw in the fact that more talent was brought in on defense this offseason in Bunkley, Hawthorne, Chamberlain & Lofton then you would realize that defense has no choice but to be better then previous years.
Posted by LooseCannon22282
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 11:34 pm to
I'm with you to a certain point. I think most of our D-line is slow getting off the ball. Besides Juneyah, I haven't seen a guy with a good burst off the line the last few years. I like that Tez is moving to DE but that adjustment will take some time for him to get used to, I'm not expecting him to be a gang buster come Week 1 vs. Washington.

I love the move though. We need more speed off the edge.

I think most people got spoiled off of Sharper's season in '09 and just thought that Jenkins would just pick up right were he left off.

But I felt bad for Jenkins this past year. He was left out to dry to many times in that retarded scheme by GW. Greg Williams never really seemed to try anything new. He just got too cocky last year even though it was the offense who carried the team. Just my opinion. I believe this defense will improve and that is enough for me. We have the best offense in the game. The special teams were pretty solid for the most part last year also.
Posted by Meateye
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Posted on 8/1/12 at 12:44 am to
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AlejandroInHouston
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(Posted on 12/31/09 at 6:32 p.m. to Farva)

I'm a little annoyed because I've had season tickets since 1997 but somewhere along the line when I changed locations I got "reset" and my seniority is now only 2005.


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MinnesotaTiger

Saints season ticket holder since 1997.
How about you, chief?



Imagine That!!!

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