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Any Saints fan oppose the team drafting nothing but defensive players?

Posted on 1/28/17 at 9:20 am
Posted by El Campo Tiger
El Campo, TX
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 1/28/17 at 9:20 am
In certain situations, I may be inclined to draft the best player available, but if it were to happen, I wouldn't be upset if the Saints drafted defensive positions only.

I would probably be upset if the Saints didn't draft an edge rusher with their first round pick.

This post was edited on 1/28/17 at 9:21 am
Posted by Brettesaurus Rex
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
38259 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 9:22 am to
Only if they grabbed a couple FA O-lineman.
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
12690 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 9:37 am to
Yup, drop dead need of at least one guard unless we bring back Evans and he somehow stays unbroken again (unlikely).

Even then we should be looking to shore up the right side because it's old as dirt and apparently all the young guys we have suck at that side.

I would prefer someone proven in FA, but wouldn't mind if we tried (again) to draft someone to eventually take over.
This post was edited on 1/28/17 at 9:39 am
Posted by Rand AlThor
Member since Jan 2014
9373 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 9:55 am to
It just depends what we do in FA man. We desperately need a right guard. The OL was good last year, and honestly we have a solid collection of talented offensive linemen, but it seems none of them can competently play RG. If we do not address that in FA, we absolutely have to in the draft.

I hate being in that position, because it is what happened last year and we ended up not filling it. You should never use the draft to fill immediate needs because rookies cannot be expected to make immediate impacts. At least with our other needs (DE, LB, CB) we have some options that are on the roster... Kikaha is an unknown, we have a few pretty good LBs like Robertson, Ellerbe and Stupar, and we have a shitload of corners who, if all healthy, could probably be a solid bunch. But at RG, there is nothing. To me that means it should be the first thing they try to fill in FA..

So if that is the case, and we get a guard, yes I would be fine drafting all defense. But I don't think they should go in thinking about something like that... They should go in with a few positions circled as "high priority" but generally stick to BPA. If they have a WR as their 7th best player or something, and a LB as their 30th, and we're sitting there at our pick in the 2nd round, I would rather them take the WR that they believe is a vastly superior talent. In the end, the teams that succeed are the ones who just stockpile talent on the roster wherever they can get it.
Posted by Ryan3232
Valet driver for TD staff
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Posted on 1/28/17 at 10:14 am to
I think we might see the saints grab a guard or tackle in the 3rd or 4th round.
Posted by lacajun069
franklinton
Member since Sep 2008
2086 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 10:15 am to
I am warming up to the possibility of drafting a home run Hitting RB at 11 like Fournette or Cooks. Especially if they are the best player available at pick 11. I agree a pass rusher is the teams greatest need but if they are gone before our pick and either Cooks are Fournette are there then draft one of those two.
Brees is in the last year of his contract and his aging. Father time is undated with aging players. When the end comes it comes quick. A home run hitting back with the ability to take it to the house will realize the presuRe on a aging Brees and give us someone to build the team around in case he is not resigned after next year.

I keep rememberin how drafting Duce was not drafting for need but looking back it was the right decision at that time.
Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
Member since Sep 2010
18962 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 10:23 am to
quote:

They should go in with a few positions circled as "high priority" but generally stick to BPA. If they have a WR as their 7th best player or something, and a LB as their 30th, and we're sitting there at our pick in the 2nd round,


I've explained to you that teams don't have draft eligible players ranked 1-300 whatever. All these mocks & tv shows give everyone a false account of what team draft boards actually look like. Players are ranked by position from highest rated to lowest rated. Players get taken off the board as they are drafted. Once a team's draft position comes up, the decision becomes do they draft the highest rated at a position of need or the highest rated player available at any position. This an example of what war room boards actually look like.

Posted by Rand AlThor
Member since Jan 2014
9373 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 10:30 am to
I did not mean to imply that they use a numbered system, it was just easier to get my point across that way. I guess I meant it more as if they have a WR they are very, very high on available, but also a LB they are pretty high on, I would rather them take the player that they are much higher on despite need.

Not every team does the draft the same though, I think you're probably right about that style for a lot of teams but I think some teams could certainly just have a big list.
This post was edited on 1/28/17 at 10:31 am
Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
Member since Sep 2010
18962 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 10:38 am to
quote:

Not every team does the draft the same though, I think you're probably right about that style for a lot of teams but I think some teams could certainly just have a big list.


The format of how players end up ranked are used by all teams. Its the system of determining those final rankings that various from organization to organization. No one has a big list. Do you even realize just how difficult a big list would be to track during the draft process as players come off the board? You have to realize just how hectic war rooms are during the draft. This format keeps it simple & allows for a simpler method of player tracking while providing the same results.
This post was edited on 1/28/17 at 10:40 am
Posted by Jaydeaux
Covington
Member since May 2005
18746 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 10:39 am to
Chad Kelly in the 4th
Posted by VA LSU fan
Virginia
Member since Dec 2007
7872 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 10:44 am to
We have had talent come through. Need better coaching. We had three first rounders on our d-line. Two were at linebacker.

That is five first rounders in our front seven. I would rather draft bpa all day. Fix holes in free agency.
Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
Member since Sep 2010
18962 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 10:47 am to
quote:

Chad Kelly in the 4th



The Chopper City in the Dome album coming soon.


Seriously though, I doubt Kelly comes off the board before the 5th round with him coming off an ACL injury & character concerns. Zach Mettenberger situation was similar. Big arm but an ACL injury & character concerns from being kicked off the Georgia squad, pushed him back to the 6th round.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278154 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 10:53 am to
outside of QB and G, we should load up on Def
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
30080 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:23 am to
They need to address guard. If they do in free agency, go all out in draft defensively that's fine.
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
12690 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:24 am to
quote:

The format of how players end up ranked are used by all teams. Its the system of determining those final rankings that various from organization to organization.


The Saints have clouds/clusters/groups of players with similar grades.

That includes players at the same and different positions, so long as they are graded out roughly the same.

Payton has talked about this before, like Vaccaro being one of 3-4 players left in a group, 2 of which were receivers iirc and I forget the other position, but the point was Jones wasn't in that group for us even though he was still on the board.

Something similar was said with Cooks about how players in that group were almost gone and no one else was graded out where our original pick was, so they moved up to get a player in that group. Otherwise they would have traded back (or tried to at least).
This post was edited on 1/28/17 at 11:26 am
Posted by Whodat28
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2016
753 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:48 am to
I would try and get a TE in the later rounds
Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
Member since Sep 2010
18962 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:51 am to
quote:

The Saints have clouds/clusters/groups of players with similar grades.


The chart I posted contains these clouds/clusters/groups of players with similar grades. Like I said before, how each team determines those grades varies.

quote:

That includes players at the same and different positions, so long as they are graded out roughly the same.


Correct. This is the portion labeled targets for each round in the lower left of the chart. It continues across the bottom of that chart I posted above for the latter rounds. Its a grouping of the highest rated players of all positions who they feel will be available at the slotted pick position. It's how teams narrow down their potential targets.
This post was edited on 1/28/17 at 12:03 pm
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 12:28 pm to
I would at least like a mid round RT to be drafted and sit behind Strief for a year. Somewhere in rounds 3-5. The rest go D. Get a G in FA.
Posted by Suntiger
BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
32856 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 1:10 pm to
I don't want to come in saying draft all defensive players. I'd like a focus on defensive players. But it also depends on what we do in FA.
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
12690 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 1:14 pm to
I wasn't trying to contradict your post, just explaining some of how the Saints do it and specific examples (actually supporting your post).

But yes each team has their own grades/grading system and their evaluations will differ also.
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