Bear with me: Shows you, NE has a lot of misses (overall average that stretch for them), but that stretch was BRUTAL for us and why we're seeing problems now. Literally being average would give us 3-4 more contributors. That would be huge.

2012:
3rd - Akiem Hicks (Traded for Hooman)
4th - Nick Toon (cut)
5th - Corey White (cut)
6th - Andrew Tiller (cut)
7th - Marcel Jones (cut)

2013:
1st - Kenny Vaccaro (on the team)
3rd - Terron Armstead (extension on the team)
3rd - John Jenkins (cut)
5th - Kenny Stills (traded for 3rd and Ellerbe who has been cut)
6th - Rufus Johnson (cut)

2014:
1st - Brandin Cooks (traded for 1st)
2nd - SJB (cut)
4th - Khairi Fortt (cut)
5th - Vinnie Sunseri (cut)
5th - Ronald Powell (cut)
6th - Tavon Rooks (cut)
UDFA - Willie Snead

Hits:
2/2 on 1st rounders
0/1 on 2nd rounders
2/3 on 3rd rounders
0/2 on 4th rounders
1/4 on 5th rounders
0/3 on 6th rounders
0/1 on 7th rounders
1/1 on UDFA
Total: 6 players in 17 draft-eligible players
- 3 remain on the roster (Vaccaro, Armstead, Snead)

Compared to NE

2012:
1st - Chandler Jones (traded for 2nd round)
1st - Dont'a Hightower (on team)
2nd - Tavon Wilson (left in FA)
3rd - Jake Bequette (cut)
6th - Nate Ebner (on team)
7th - Alfonzo Dennard (cut)
7th - Jeremy Ebert (cut)

2013:
2nd - Jamie Collins (traded for 3rd round pick)
2nd - Aaron Dobson (cut)
3rd - Logan Ryan (left in FA)
3rd - Duron Harmon (on team)
4th - Josh Boyce (cut)
7th - Michael Buchanan (cut)
7th - Steve Beauharnais (cut)
UDFA - Ryan Allen (on team)

2014:
1st - Dominique Easley (cut)
2nd - Jimmy G (on team)
4th - Bryan Stork (cut)
4th - James White (on team)
4th - Cameron Fleming (on team)
6th - Jon Halapio (cut)
6th - Zach Moore (cut)
6th - Jemea Thomas (cut)
7th - Jeremy Gallon (cut)
UDFA - Malcolm Butler (on team)

Hits:
2/3 - 1st rounders
2/3 - 2nd rounders
2/3 - 3rd rounders
2/4 - 4th rounders
1/4 - 6th rounders
0/5 - 7th rounders
2/2 - UDFA
Total: 11 players in 24 draft-eligible
- 8 remain on the roster (hightower, ebner, harmon, allen, jimmy g, white, fleming, butler)

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Posted by Chalkywhite84

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Member since Dec 2016

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Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:21 pm to htran90

Man that 2014 was the worst.
But when the pats hit they hit big
Donta
Jamie Collins
Chandler Jones

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Posted by saintsfan1977

West Monroe, from Cajun country

Member since Jun 2010

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Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:23 pm to htran90

Ok now do a real comparison, like us vs the Browns.

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Posted by partywiththelombardi

Member since May 2012

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Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:29 pm to Chalkywhite84

Bill has never been a great drafter. He rapes on trades and finding value in dollar bin FA's

In short he compensates for his deficiencies by supplementing his drafts with pieces that he maximizes by utilizing any and every skillset his players may possess.

We don't do anything close to that.

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Posted by burke985

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Member since Aug 2011

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Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:37 pm to htran90

So on average 1 player we draft a year makes it on the team for a short period of time.

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Posted by Lester Earl

Member since Nov 2003

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Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:49 pm to htran90

quote:
1st - Chandler Jones (traded for 2nd round)
1st - Dont'a Hightower (on team)
Jamie Collins

these 3 players are better than any defensive player the Saints have taken in the last 30 years

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Posted by htran90

Member since Dec 2012

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Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:20 pm to Lester Earl

quote:
these 3 players are better than any defensive player the Saints have taken in the last 30 years

eh, Cam Jordan is pretty legit.

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Posted by CocoLoco

Member since Jan 2012

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Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:27 pm to Lester Earl

But Jones and Collins are gone.

Jordan is a phenomenal player on a shitty defense. He'd start anywhere. Hightower is a badass as well. Not going to excuse this front office, though. Too many terrible contracts and a lot of really bad draft picks. Loomis sucks.

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Posted by htran90

Member since Dec 2012

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Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:33 pm to saintsfan1977

quote:
Ok now do a real comparison, like us vs the Browns.

as you wish

2012:
1st - Trent Richardson (traded for 2013 1st round pick)
1st - Brandon Weeden (cut)
2nd - Mitchell Schwartz (walked in FA)
3rd - John Hughes (cut)
4th - Travis Benjamin (walked in FA)
4th - James-Michael Johnson (cut)
5th - Ryan Miller (cut)
6th - Emmanuel Acho (cut)
6th - Billy Winn (traded to Indy)
7th - Trevin Wade (cut)
7th - Brad Smelley (cut)
UDFA: Tashaun Gipson (walked in FA)

2013:
1st - Barkevious Mingo (traded to NE for 5th)
2nd - Josh Gordon (year previous supplemental; suspended)
3rd - Leon McFadden (cut)
6th - Jamoris Slaughter (cut)
7th - Armonty Bryant (cut)
7th - Garrett Gilkey (cut)

2014:
1st - Justin Gilbert (cut)
1st - Johnny Manziel (cut)
2nd - Joel Bitonio (on team)
3rd - Christian Kirksey (on team)
3rd - Terrance West (traded to Tennessee, now with Baltimore)
4th - Pierre Desir (cut)
UDFA: Isaiah Crowell (on team)

So, players who actually made a name for themselves
0/5 1st round picks
3/3 2nd round picks *Josh Gordon was a 2nd round supplemental, good player but issues with suspensions*
2/4 3rd round picks
1/3 4th round picks
0/1 5th round picks
1/3 6th round picks
0/4 7th round picks
UDFA: 2 players

So of 25 players, 7 made a name for themselves or are still in the league in a major way. Of those 7, 3 remain on the team

lol we're bad like them

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Posted by Jcorye1

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Member since Dec 2007

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Posted on 9/20/17 at 5:21 am to htran90

I don't agree with how you define a miss. Stork was the center of a team that won a championship, and was best out by a UDFA mostly because of concussion related issues.

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