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Worthless organization has ruined its superstar
Posted on 10/21/17 at 8:38 am
Posted on 10/21/17 at 8:38 am
The Pelicans don't deserve Anthony Davis.
This has nothing to do with the fan base or city.
I've never seen a team struggle so much with a first team all NBA player as the Pelicans have with Davis. The organization seems to have zero understanding of how to build a team and the head coach is absolutely horrible. Last year when the Pelicans got Cousins everyone knew it would be an experiment within the new NBA but with some good shooters they could win. I know they tested the Warriors but man does Gentry do anything? Does he even have an offense to run?
Just venting as I bought NBA league pass for two teams. The Pelicans (hoping to see a good team) and the Lakers (wanting to watch them develop). Seems the Pelicans hired the wrong Golden Star assistant.
This has nothing to do with the fan base or city.
I've never seen a team struggle so much with a first team all NBA player as the Pelicans have with Davis. The organization seems to have zero understanding of how to build a team and the head coach is absolutely horrible. Last year when the Pelicans got Cousins everyone knew it would be an experiment within the new NBA but with some good shooters they could win. I know they tested the Warriors but man does Gentry do anything? Does he even have an offense to run?
Just venting as I bought NBA league pass for two teams. The Pelicans (hoping to see a good team) and the Lakers (wanting to watch them develop). Seems the Pelicans hired the wrong Golden Star assistant.
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Posted on 10/21/17 at 8:43 am to VA LSU fan
hindsight being 20/20... Monty Williams should still be this team's head coach
though it was slower than a snail's pace (which is why he was fired)... he had the team heading in the right direction when he was let go
now the way this team is built is more suited to his coaching style than the quick paced style of Gentry
but... 120 points against 1 of the Association's top defensive teams the last few seasons is good to see (even though it came with a L)
though it was slower than a snail's pace (which is why he was fired)... he had the team heading in the right direction when he was let go
now the way this team is built is more suited to his coaching style than the quick paced style of Gentry
but... 120 points against 1 of the Association's top defensive teams the last few seasons is good to see (even though it came with a L)
Posted on 10/21/17 at 8:46 am to VA LSU fan
You really should chill. Trust me, I’m frustrated. But I know I need to be even more patient. I’ve been following this franchise for a long time. There is reason for hope. But it’s going to take at last another couple of years and, likely, change at the top. Demps and Gentry are not safe forever.
Posted on 10/21/17 at 8:48 am to VA LSU fan
Walton would be just as screwed with this roster as Gentry is. We have like 30mil in salary on the bench injured and other issues. Chris Finch is Running our offense and Erman runs the defense. Give it more than 2-3 games. Let’s see where we are at game 20
Posted on 10/21/17 at 8:51 am to chesty
If Jrue plays anywhere near his contract the team will be good.
Posted on 10/21/17 at 10:36 am to VA LSU fan
We were a completely different team against the Warriors. You don't do that without a little leadership from your head coach. Yes it's frustrating to lose but our defense was much improved (as evidenced with Draymond getting a tech and KD playing pissed off all night), ball movement was night and day better, we actually had a decent 3rd quarter (which never happens), the Warriors kept responding with big shots and we didn't give up, and our bench played so so much better.
Give the players, Erman, and Finch credit. But Gentry was apart of that too whether you like it or not.
As for not being able to build an organization, you tell me how many small market teams are consistently for a championship? You have to over pay to get players here. Dell made things much easier for himself by trading for Boogie. Now players are more inclined to play with 2 superstars. Without that move for Boogie, we don't get Clark or Rondo. Maybe not even TA.
Relax and enjoy this season brother. We've been bad for a long time but we just challenged the world champs instead of getting blown out like we usually do. Small market teams typically don't get rosters like this.
Give the players, Erman, and Finch credit. But Gentry was apart of that too whether you like it or not.
As for not being able to build an organization, you tell me how many small market teams are consistently for a championship? You have to over pay to get players here. Dell made things much easier for himself by trading for Boogie. Now players are more inclined to play with 2 superstars. Without that move for Boogie, we don't get Clark or Rondo. Maybe not even TA.
Relax and enjoy this season brother. We've been bad for a long time but we just challenged the world champs instead of getting blown out like we usually do. Small market teams typically don't get rosters like this.
Posted on 10/21/17 at 10:53 am to DeionDeion
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As for not being able to build an organization, you tell me how many small market teams are consistently for a championship?
I'm know sure how you define small market. But the Spurs are definitely one of the smallest markets in the league and contend every year. A case can even be made for Cleveland as a small market team. Utah and Memphis are for sure bottom 5 markets and have strong teams year after year.
It's all about smart management. You should never overspend for a player, even to keep him. Let other teams make those mistakes. Our organization should be devoted to scouting, player development and instill a strong team culture. Instead they keep looking for the shortcut.
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Now players are more inclined to play with 2 superstars. Without that move for Boogie, we don't get Clark or Rondo. Maybe not even TA.
I don't understand this. We do not have any cap room to sign anybody. We will not have any space while we have Davis, Cousins and Holiday. That is 3 max contracts and that is the most you can carry (although you should really never have more than 2). This is what we are stuck with for awhile. Until Cousins walks this summer..
Posted on 10/21/17 at 11:19 am to brmark70816
New Orleans is the 53rd largest TV market in the US. Which seems like the lowest TV market of any NBA team. If you find something different let me know.
San Antonio is the 37th largest. Cleveland is at 17th. Utah the 33rd largest. And Memphis is the 48th largest (closest team to NOLA)
In an ideal world I completely agree. But if that's the case, we'd have AD & Boogie surrounded by Michael Beasley, Ian Clark, and Jarrett Jack. This is an important season and by not bringing Jrue back you make life WAY harder this season. And for all intents and purposes this is the only season that matters
If you use your money on really great players, other players will want to join at a discount. Which creates a domino effect of other players wanting to join. Now, no one wanted Jrue to get that kind of money, but again it was a must. And even if you disagree with it, the ink is dry on that contract.
San Antonio is the 37th largest. Cleveland is at 17th. Utah the 33rd largest. And Memphis is the 48th largest (closest team to NOLA)
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It's all about smart management. You should never overspend for a player, even to keep him
In an ideal world I completely agree. But if that's the case, we'd have AD & Boogie surrounded by Michael Beasley, Ian Clark, and Jarrett Jack. This is an important season and by not bringing Jrue back you make life WAY harder this season. And for all intents and purposes this is the only season that matters
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I don't understand this. We do not have any cap room to sign anybody
If you use your money on really great players, other players will want to join at a discount. Which creates a domino effect of other players wanting to join. Now, no one wanted Jrue to get that kind of money, but again it was a must. And even if you disagree with it, the ink is dry on that contract.
This post was edited on 10/21/17 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 10/21/17 at 11:23 am to VOR
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You really should chill. Trust me, I’m frustrated. But I know I need to be even more patient. I’ve been following this franchise for a long time. There is reason for hope. But it’s going to take at last another couple of years and, likely, change at the top. Demps and Gentry are not safe forever
You’re awesome VOR and I appreciate your positive outlook. We don’t have a couple years. We have to pay Cousins in the offseason assuming he wants to come back. We have 55mil tied up in Hill/Asik/Ajinca/Holiday with multiple years minimum left on all those deals. None of those are tradeable.
So by the time AD gets close to his next contract we have to somehow put a competitive team around him at least WCF worthy with basically nothing to work with outside of our 1st round picks. That or ship him out and rebuild.
This roster is a MESS. Our 3rd best player is playing like a 4th/5th banana and getting paid like a 3rd. We’re relying on bargains to get us through the season competitively and that’s not exactly a recipe for success. What if DC had decided to go to Minny? I mean good god.
I realize the Hill injury hurt, but part of the reason it hurt was because we gave him a 50 million dollar contract!!!
We’re behind the 8 ball. Demps should be shopping 2018 1st to all these teams who plan on sucking and praying they’ll trade us a serviceable wing.
Posted on 10/21/17 at 11:41 am to DeionDeion
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If you find something different let me know.
I was going off population size (LINK )
I found this on Reddit, based off a Neilsen pole (ranking NBA Markets)..
1-2 New York Knicks / Brooklyn Nets
3-4 Los Angeles Lakers / Los Angeles Clippers
5 Chicago Bulls
6 *Toronto Raptors
7 Philadelphia 76ers
8 Dallas Mavericks
9 Golden State Warriors
10 Washington Wizards
11 Houston Rockets
12 Boston Celtics
13 Atlanta Hawks
14 Phoenix Suns
15 Detroit Pistons
16 Minnesota Timberwolves
17 Miami Heat
18 Denver Nuggets
19 Orlando Magic
20 Cleveland Cavaliers
21 Sacramento Kings
22 Charlotte Hornets
23 Portland Trailblazers
24 Indiana Pacers
25 San Antonio Spurs
26 Utah Jazz
27 Milwaukee Bucks
28 Oklahoma City Thunder
29 New Orleans Pelicans
30 Memphis Grizzlies
Either way, if you are defining small markets. I think SA would be one of them.
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This is an important season and by not bringing Jrue back you make life WAY harder this season.
I get it. I just can't support a bad move and resigning Holiday to that contract was bad. All of the pressure on this season was created by the front office and short sighted moves.
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And even if you disagree with it, the ink is dry on that contract.
Fair enough. I'm not crying about it. I just want to put him in the best position possible and where he benefits the team the most. If he doesn't fit in the offense, then they need to change it to highlight what he does. That needs to happen right away. It should have happened months ago.
Posted on 10/21/17 at 12:43 pm to brmark70816
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Either way, if you are defining small markets. I think SA would be one of them.
Fair. However they have one of the greatest coaches and management in the NBA right now. And Pop will go down as one of the all-time greats
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All of the pressure on this season was created by the front office and short sighted moves
I would agree with you there for sure. If Dell hadn't gotten Boogie I would be much more disappointed in the Holiday resigning. But again what was the alternative? If you can get an All-Star for pennies on the dollar, wouldn't you?
The alternative: we don't trade for Boogie and we let Jrue walk. We have to hope Buddy moves into the leader guard role. We can't guarantee that we sign Teague or any other FA (we are a small market team in rebuilding and retooling mode) or that Dell or Gentry are still employed. Then we hire a new coach and/or GM or both (hopefully we hire the right ones). We draft Malik Monk (but we still have Buddy), Zach Collins, Donovan Mitchell, or Bam Adebayo. And then you trot them out with Buddy, AD, QPon, Moore, Quinn Cook, Terrance Jones, and Dante Cunningham (Im saying the Hill, Asik, and Ajinca injuries remain). Almost everything changes, you bring in new players, new coaches, and a new direction. Tough to turn that ship around in time before ADs contract is up or without AD being discouraged.
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I just want to put him in the best position possible and where he benefits the team the most. If he doesn't fit in the offense, then they need to change it to highlight what he does
Again I agree. Jrue's game isn't jelling right now and he's not playing great basketball. Something needs to change, but I trust he's up for the task. Not to mention he has the confidence of AD and Boogie, the 2 most important voices in the organization, who threatened him to resign.
Posted on 10/21/17 at 2:03 pm to DeionDeion
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But again what was the alternative? If you can get an All-Star for pennies on the dollar, wouldn't you?
I don't want to do revisionist history, because I always come off as negative and I really want this team to be good. But no, I would have not made the trade, for many reasons.
1. I already have Davis and I don't believe in having two dominant post players. I think people have seen examples with the Spurs, Clippers and Grizz and figure it's a sure thing winning recipe. I don't buy it and those teams were limited in style and range. Plus they have great character guys that were willing to sacrifice personal glory for the team.
2. Cousin's is/was a rental. His agent said it and I fully expect him to walk if we don't trade him before the deadline. We cost him millions and he has no reason to stick around here. If he doesn't resign, that sets us back years.
3. I do not like Cousins. Not personally, I'm sure he is a nice guy. But I don't like his game, personality or court demeanor. He doesn't want to be a Center (just like Davis). He wants to free lance, handle the ball and shoot 3's. His talent is obvious. But contact angers him and the smallest slights set him off. He is a lazy defender and constantly complains to the refs. You just can't be a dominant Center and play this way. Plus he is a coach killer. I really do not like having him on the team.
4. I like youth and want good young players with potential on the team. It's just necessary in the league today and it's by far the biggest bargain. Look at how Brooks played in that first game. He was amazing and he makes less than a million a year. I really like Hield and was looking forward to another young guy joining the team.
I can keep going, but that's the jest of it. I wouldn't have made the trade. I also would have shopped Holiday and Evans to get some value before they walked. I'd never let high money free agents walk without gaining some kind of return. Unless there was just nothing to be gained.
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The alternative: we don't trade for Boogie and we let Jrue walk.
It's difficult to predict how things would have gone down. A new back court of Monk and Hield would be pretty sweet. We would have had a ton of cash to chase a free agent or two, maybe build a real bench. You're right, everything changes. I doubt we sniff the playoffs, but we would be building towards it and not limited the way we are now. I would have preferred it..
Posted on 10/21/17 at 7:51 pm to brmark70816
Team screwed up last year. Should have used Holiday to unload Asik, Moore or Hill to the 76ers.
Posted on 10/21/17 at 10:15 pm to brmark70816
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3. I do not like Cousins. Not personally, I'm sure he is a nice guy. But I don't like his game, personality or court demeanor. He doesn't want to be a Center (just like Davis). He wants to free lance, handle the ball and shoot 3's. His talent is obvious. But contact angers him and the smallest slights set him off. He is a lazy defender and constantly complains to the refs. You just can't be a dominant Center and play this way. Plus he is a coach killer. I really do not like having him on the team.
That is bias considering he's been arguably the better defender between him and AD this season and majority of your complaints were never a problem while he's been with us.
Ontop of that the organization killed every single one of them. There's one coach he respected in Sacramento and they still fired him. He and gentry have a good relationship right now as well.
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4. I like youth and want good young players with potential on the team. It's just necessary in the league today and it's by far the biggest bargain. Look at how Brooks played in that first game. He was amazing and he makes less than a million a year. I really like Hield and was looking forward to another young guy joining the team.
Unfortunately it's the cost of getting cousins.
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I can keep going, but that's the jest of it. I wouldn't have made the trade. I also would have shopped Holiday and Evans to get some value before they walked. I'd never let high money free agents walk without gaining some kind of return. Unless there was just nothing to be gained.
So would have many of us, but tyreke was damaged at that point and was fodder for cousins. Ryan Anderson and Eric Gordon could have gotten us picks, yet dell passed it up.
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