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Why won't Monty stagger the guards more?
Posted on 11/22/14 at 9:14 am
Posted on 11/22/14 at 9:14 am
For the most part he has recognized the superior talent of the bigs and gone with a 3 big rotation when healthy and not in foul trouble. But with the guards he has starters and bench units. Tyreke and Jrue seem to be playing a "your turn, my turn" style of offense more than playing off each other so why not break those 2 up more with 2nd unit minutes? I know this isn't a new idea, but how come he gets it with the bigs but not the guards?
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Posted on 11/22/14 at 9:22 am to TigerinATL
I agree 100%. Thats one of the things I've been most frustrated about this year. Redundant to have so many ball dominant guards in at once and then a total void where Austin Rivers is forced to dominate the ball.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 9:30 am to TigerinATL
It makes no sense at all.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 9:36 am to TigerinATL
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Posted on 11/22/14 at 9:40 am to Fun Bunch
Per usual with Monty I think the answer is choosing defense over offense. Against Portland the defense went to hell and they came back as soon as both Jrue and Tyreke went to the bench. One storyline that hasn't been mentioned this year is Tyreke has been playing solid on defense, getting rebounds and being disruptive in the passing lanes. I guess he feels he can hide Babbitt/Salmons better against second units than starters. Which makes Darius Miller being a bust so frustrating. We really don't need much at the "starting" SF spot, just enough 3 and D to let Monty shift Tyreke more to the 2nd unit.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 10:24 am to TigerinATL
There's quite a healthy difference between Rivers, Gordon, Babbitt, ryno, Davis and the bench 5.
That bench 5 is such a poor defensive unit on paper I don't think defense is the answer you look for here. Rivers only gets hyped to guard big name players and has regressed on that side (hurts to say), salmons was the 2 guard, Babbitt the 3, ryno the 4, and withey/ajinca the 5. That might be the ugliest defensive line up on paper I've ever seen. The athleticism gap last night was through the roof. Worse yet, Denver isn't even that athletic outside of their PGs / Faried. They have a stable of good wings but not the type that are gonna run circles around you.
There's no creativity in the rotations, other than the fact a bunch of us are wondering how it could be so damn awful. Which is just downright crazy cause the one strength of having our 3 starting guards is that you CAN stagger them. Demps gave Monty depth he's just flat out ignoring.
That bench 5 is such a poor defensive unit on paper I don't think defense is the answer you look for here. Rivers only gets hyped to guard big name players and has regressed on that side (hurts to say), salmons was the 2 guard, Babbitt the 3, ryno the 4, and withey/ajinca the 5. That might be the ugliest defensive line up on paper I've ever seen. The athleticism gap last night was through the roof. Worse yet, Denver isn't even that athletic outside of their PGs / Faried. They have a stable of good wings but not the type that are gonna run circles around you.
There's no creativity in the rotations, other than the fact a bunch of us are wondering how it could be so damn awful. Which is just downright crazy cause the one strength of having our 3 starting guards is that you CAN stagger them. Demps gave Monty depth he's just flat out ignoring.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 10:36 am to TheSexecutioner
quote:Couldn't agree more. With that being said, there aren't a lot of great alternatives without a competent SF. Which of the these options would be best?
I agree 100%. Thats one of the things I've been most frustrated about this year. Redundant to have so many ball dominant guards in at once and then a total void where Austin Rivers is forced to dominate the ball.
A. Jrue, Gordon, Any of our shite SFs, AD, Asik, with Tyreke coming off the bench.
B. Jrue, Tyreke, Salmons/Babbitt, AD, Asik, with Gordon coming off the bench.
C. Jrue, Rivers, Tyreke, AD, Asik with Gordon coming off the bench.
It sucks that Salmons isn't even decent enough to meet our really low expectations of him. He definitely wins the 2014 Greg Steimsma award.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 11:09 am to TigerinATL
Why not give the ryno, AD, other big a shot for a stretch??
This post was edited on 11/22/14 at 11:12 am
Posted on 11/22/14 at 11:49 am to mm2316
IMO none of the above 3 options. Rivers relieves Gordon at 5-6 min mark. Babbitt relieves Reke at 3 min mark. Gordon comes in for Holiday to start 2nd. Reke comes in for SF at 9 min official TO. Jrue relieves Rivers at 6 min. Don't change it unless someone is on fire, dinged up, or in foul trouble so these guys develop some actual chemistry.
That leaves each around 36 a game. If you want to get those numbers down a little more, play AD at the 3 with Ryno and Withey / Ajinca. I'd rather run small or big for small spurts than force feed crap players minutes. Any of our starting 3 guards have shown the ability to guard SFs already this year (Rivers can not). Davis has shown the ability to guard everybody (literally) this year.
At the very least, you have to stagger AD better if you insist on emptying the bench. You have 4 starters, choose 1, that would likely change the entire complexity of our 2nd unit if they were on the floor. Find a way to have 1 out there for those 4-5 minute stretches Monty.
That leaves each around 36 a game. If you want to get those numbers down a little more, play AD at the 3 with Ryno and Withey / Ajinca. I'd rather run small or big for small spurts than force feed crap players minutes. Any of our starting 3 guards have shown the ability to guard SFs already this year (Rivers can not). Davis has shown the ability to guard everybody (literally) this year.
At the very least, you have to stagger AD better if you insist on emptying the bench. You have 4 starters, choose 1, that would likely change the entire complexity of our 2nd unit if they were on the floor. Find a way to have 1 out there for those 4-5 minute stretches Monty.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 12:33 pm to ShamelessPel
This. Honestly when our top 6 are healthy then there is almost no reason other than severe foul trouble not to have at least 3 of them on the floor at all times.
With Asik hurt, there is no reason not to have at least 2 of the remaining 5 out there all the time. If Davis isnt on the floor than u need JH/Eg, Reke, and Ryno.
With Asik hurt, there is no reason not to have at least 2 of the remaining 5 out there all the time. If Davis isnt on the floor than u need JH/Eg, Reke, and Ryno.
This post was edited on 11/22/14 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 11/22/14 at 12:55 pm to ShamelessPel
That's a pretty solid suggestion, but it may be a little too advanced for Monty.
Posted on 11/22/14 at 1:19 pm to ShamelessPel
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IMO none of the above 3 options. Rivers relieves Gordon at 5-6 min mark. Babbitt relieves Reke at 3 min mark. Gordon comes in for Holiday to start 2nd. Reke comes in for SF at 9 min official TO. Jrue relieves Rivers at 6 min. Don't change it unless someone is on fire, dinged up, or in foul trouble so these guys develop some actual chemistry
Posted on 11/22/14 at 2:56 pm to NorthshoreTiger76
Throwing my quick two cents into this discussion - I still don't understand why Monty won't even try the Jrue-Tyreke/Gordon-Anderson-AD-Asik lineup out there for spurts. The zone D with that lineup seemed okay in the preseason for periods at a time, and doing so would limit the need for those bad bench wings. Using that lineup may result in Ajinca getting a few more minutes (who I think is fine as a fourth big seeing limited action), but Anderson and Asik are both only averaging 27 minutes per game so far, so maybe you don't even need to add more than a couple minutes from Alexis.
This post was edited on 11/22/14 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 11/22/14 at 3:17 pm to TigerinATL
He's not a good coach I don't really expect him to make the right decisions tbh
Posted on 11/22/14 at 5:40 pm to TigerinATL
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Darius Miller being a bust
2nd round picks can't be busts in my opinion
Posted on 11/22/14 at 5:46 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
Its tough to make decent rotations when you have 7 decent players, none of which are a SF. It will be an issue for as long as Gordon and Evans are both on the team (unless you lose Anderson or Asik, which creates other issues).
Posted on 11/22/14 at 7:21 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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2nd round picks can't be busts in my opinion
Fine, Darius Miller not proving worthy. He hasn't gotten much of a shot during the regular season this year, but we've invested a roster spot in him for 2 years and he's giving us nothing for it so far.
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Its tough to make decent rotations when you have 7 decent players, none of which are a SF.
Which is kind of the point, spread the limited talent out more so a thin bench doesn't let games slip away.
This post was edited on 11/22/14 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 11/22/14 at 7:32 pm to TigerinATL
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spread the limited talent out more so a thin bench doesn't let games slip away.
Put a clown in the starting lineup and you aren't in the game to let it slip away. Staggering is an interesting idea, but its a bandaid on dismemberment. The answer is a balanced roster.
This post was edited on 11/22/14 at 7:35 pm
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