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Why isn't Asik playing?
Posted on 12/16/16 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 12/16/16 at 10:57 pm
Gentry said because of the match up and perimeter switching, but even Asik is beer than Ajinça moving his feet. Also, we got abused on the defensivery boards while our best asset there sits the bench.
There has to be more to this, but the 15th has come and gone.
There has to be more to this, but the 15th has come and gone.
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Posted on 12/16/16 at 11:00 pm to Jester
I don't think there is more to it. They only trust Asik in certain situations. They don't let him play small ball.
Posted on 12/16/16 at 11:29 pm to TigerinATL
I could understand that...if Ajinca wasn't eating up minutes out there. He hasn't been AS bad lately but still dude sucks.
Posted on 12/16/16 at 11:39 pm to ShamelessPel
Asik should get minutes regardless. Small ball is one thing, but asik does things that nobody else on this roster is as good as.
I understand small ball, but even defensive centers still get 10-15 minutes in those match ups across the league.
The more I see of no asik, the more i think a trade is coming and I'm scared we are about to ship off the wrong center.
I understand small ball, but even defensive centers still get 10-15 minutes in those match ups across the league.
The more I see of no asik, the more i think a trade is coming and I'm scared we are about to ship off the wrong center.
Posted on 12/17/16 at 1:45 am to htran90
Eh, move either of them if the opportunity arises IMO.
Asik off the books would be huge(assuming we do it in a way that frees up cap space).
He's young and raw but Diallo has a bright future and is a much better fit next to AD then Asik long term.
Asik off the books would be huge(assuming we do it in a way that frees up cap space).
He's young and raw but Diallo has a bright future and is a much better fit next to AD then Asik long term.
This post was edited on 12/17/16 at 1:46 am
Posted on 12/17/16 at 6:34 am to Jester
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Why isn't Asik playing?
b/c he sucks at basketball.
Posted on 12/17/16 at 7:01 am to TeddyPadillac
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b/c he sucks at basketball.
Your hot takes are so hot. Do you ever burn yourself when trying to share them?
Posted on 12/17/16 at 7:17 am to TigerinATL
I hate the small ball argument. That means you're allowing the other team to dictate the game. Pels got abused on the boards and although OReb ended up the same for each team it felt like the rockets got a ton of early second chance points that put the game out of reach early.
Posted on 12/17/16 at 7:19 am to NOLA Bronco
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Asik off the books would be huge(assuming we do it in a way that frees up cap space).
Please tell me more about this $11m a year player who will help change the franchise.
Posted on 12/17/16 at 8:29 am to quail man
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hate the small ball argument. That means you're allowing the other team to dictate the game
so i dislike this argument. when the other team has better players and matchups, you have to adjust. sure, they can throw him out there. we have seen time and again what happens with Asik in these situations.
the problem with the small ball argument, as detailed by others above, is that Ajinca is still playing. both guys are an absolute disaster playing defense in space. unfortunately, there are no other options on the roster.
i suspect they are trying to showcase Ajinca as a non corpse level NBA player.
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Pels got abused on the boards
i didn't get to watch last night so i can't speak to what you saw, but one thing i have read is that with more 3PT shots, OREB variance increases. that is, they aren't clustered right around the rim where your traditional bigs can battle for them. it becomes more of a team thing
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Please tell me more about this $11m a year player who will help change the franchise.
right, so why even bother to upgrade from Asik or get out of the two remaining years of his contract as he moves into his mid 30s? that's a sad argument for status quo
looking for that one player or one coach or one GM to fix everything is a bad way to think about it. they are likely doomed with Davis, but if they are to turn it around it will take a hell of a lot of good work (and luck) from every facet of the franchise
Posted on 12/17/16 at 9:09 am to corndeaux
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one thing i have read is that with more 3PT shots, OREB variance increases. that is, they aren't clustered right around the rim where your traditional bigs can battle for them. it becomes more of a team thing
I have said for 2 years that one of Asik's biggest assets is boxing out on the defensive glass. I feel like he creates an easy rebound for a teammate for every one he gets himself. Ajinça rebounds on length alone, so he doesn't do much for his teammates there.
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right, so why even bother to upgrade from Asik or get out of the two remaining years of his contract as he moves into his mid 30s? that's a sad argument for status quo
looking for that one player or one coach or one GM to fix everything is a bad way to think about it. they are likely doomed with Davis, but if they are to turn it around it will take a hell of a lot of good work (and luck) from every facet of the franchise
Honestly, I agree with this. $11M may not be enough for a star, but it's a damn good start. However, the just creates space and there are more teams creating space than stars to fill it.
My issue is that Asik is much better than Ajinça. His contract is not as awful as many seem to think. I posted a link about a week ago of center salaries and he is right where he belongs in the tier. If you dump him, you still need a decent defending big. Ajinça is absolutely not that, and the opportunity cost to get one will probably be higher than a simple $11M in cap space. Just look at how much Derps fricked shite up when he sent a solid Lopez out to bring in Evans, which I still believe is where his tenure as GM took the worst of turns.
This post was edited on 12/17/16 at 9:11 am
Posted on 12/17/16 at 9:33 am to Jester
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one of Asik's biggest assets is boxing out on the defensive glass
agreed.
the problem w/ putting out there v a Harden or Curry or Lillard etc is when they run 1/5 PnR, Asik is either out on the perimeter or hanging back giving those guys open looks. that doesnt seem sustainable to me
no idea who has these numbers, but i would be curious to see how the team rebounds/defends w/ Asik v "small ball" lineups.
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My issue is that Asik is much better than Ajinça.
yes. it's not "dump Asik at all costs." just if you can get flexibility or a chance to do better, i don't see why you wouldn't move just about everyone on this roster
Posted on 12/17/16 at 9:36 am to Jester
Ajinca looked good one game this season vs the Warriors. I would play Asik before him. Even against small ball. If he gets burned then bring in Jones or Diallo.
Asik is better than this version of Ajinca.
Asik is better than this version of Ajinca.
Posted on 12/17/16 at 9:57 am to corndeaux
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you have to adjust. sure, they can throw him out there.
Gentry didn't do that, though. he didn't even try Diallo until the game was out of hand. I'd rather have thrown Omer out there with how well he's been playing this year (compared to years past) than continue with Ajinca. it wasn't working.
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i didn't get to watch last night so i can't speak to what you saw, but one thing i have read is that with more 3PT shots, OREB variance increases. that is, they aren't clustered right around the rim where your traditional bigs can battle for them. it becomes more of a team thing
this makes sense, but not a ton of the rebounds were long. i remember Bev out jumping Hill or someone to grab one within the circle. that shouldn't be happening and IMO may not have happened if you have Omer in the lane taking up space. Again, just my opinion based on what I saw last night, not based on past experiences.
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right, so why even bother to upgrade from Asik or get out of the two remaining years of his contract as he moves into his mid 30s? that's a sad argument for status quo
he's at his highest trade value right now but i think you need a new coach and GM first before you go grab someone else. an expiring is fine, but my thing is when people say "just free up cap space with a trade"...it just doesn't work as easy as that. i get that there are trades out there that may be able to "upgrade" but i'm pessimistic.
Posted on 12/17/16 at 10:00 am to Jester
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My issue is that Asik is much better than Ajinça. His contract is not as awful as many seem to think. I posted a link about a week ago of center salaries and he is right where he belongs in the tier. If you dump him, you still need a decent defending big. Ajinça is absolutely not that, and the opportunity cost to get one will probably be higher than a simple $11M in cap space. Just look at how much Derps fricked shite up when he sent a solid Lopez out to bring in Evans, which I still believe is where his tenure as GM took the worst of turns.
this exactly. pretty much sums up what i meant but far better than i could say it
you need a competent center for nights when you play the Gasols of the NBA, and Omer is the only one on the roster to fit that bill. you trade him away for what? another center of similar caliber?
Posted on 12/17/16 at 2:00 pm to quail man
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Please tell me more about this $11m a year player who will help change the franchise.
Cap space? How does it work?
That 11 million off the books is the difference between re-signing Jrue(if we want to) and having the money to sign another solid role player or another max or near max player the following season.
Asik's contract is a major hindrance to having that extra room to make a meaningful change to this core roster.
This post was edited on 12/17/16 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 12/17/16 at 3:36 pm to NOLA Bronco
What I'm saying is you can't just trade Omer for $11m. You have to find a team with an expiring who wants him. That's not easy. You may be trading his contract for another guy who will still be around next year. What good does that do?
Posted on 12/17/16 at 4:40 pm to quail man
Now we are talking about something else entirely.
You challenged that his 11 million would be much of an asset, if the question is now can he be traded to free up cap space in the first place? That is something different.
My feeling is that if he has seemingly been on the market since last year and has fetched nothing, so my guess is that as of right now he can not be shed for salary.
You challenged that his 11 million would be much of an asset, if the question is now can he be traded to free up cap space in the first place? That is something different.
My feeling is that if he has seemingly been on the market since last year and has fetched nothing, so my guess is that as of right now he can not be shed for salary.
Posted on 12/17/16 at 5:11 pm to NOLA Bronco
Omer is another awful signing by Demps. Has the worst hands of anyone I have seen in the NBA. Can rebound on the defense end but that's about it.
Posted on 12/17/16 at 6:02 pm to quail man
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Gentry didn't do that, though
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I'd rather have thrown Omer out there with how well he's been playing this year (compared to years past)
i get the impulse to "just do something different." just seems off to me to think Omer Asik is an answer to the problem of defense v pace/space offenses. ATL has pointed out many times how they deploy him; easy to bitch about this team's coaching, but i think it's wrong to believe the coaches aren't thinking about using him best.
i'm glad he has been playable this year. credit to him and the coaches. but it feels like many people are grading him on a curve w/r/t last year and Ajinca. he's still not much of an answer
like i said, i think Ajinca seeing time is purely as trade bait. of course it probably has the opposite effect :dempsed:
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my thing is when people say "just free up cap space with a trade"...it just doesn't work as easy as that.
absolutely. and fair- a plan of "just trade Asik and sign Ibaka this summer" is foolish. but if they come to believe Diallo can be a rotation piece next year, i think it frees them up to see what they can do with Asik's contract.
and if there isn't anything worthwhile (which you are probably right to be pessimistic about), they don't have to move him. but they should be willing to explore trades for just about anyone on the roster at this point
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