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re: Tyreke buying in to bench role
Posted on 1/19/17 at 5:00 pm to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 1/19/17 at 5:00 pm to TeddyPadillac
Nah, no way I want this franchise to double down on Reke. Not with his injury history and his limitations. Unless it is for the price of a 6th man. Like Jordan Clarkson's current salary tier.
I think the role he is in right now is where he should be on any championship level team(6th man who's minutes fluctuate based on performance). He is not, and has never proven to be, a championship caliber starting PG/primary facilitator IMO. But I think deep down we all know he wants that when he hits FA. And if no one will give him that he probably looks to a more established team.
I think the role he is in right now is where he should be on any championship level team(6th man who's minutes fluctuate based on performance). He is not, and has never proven to be, a championship caliber starting PG/primary facilitator IMO. But I think deep down we all know he wants that when he hits FA. And if no one will give him that he probably looks to a more established team.
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Posted on 1/19/17 at 5:04 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I've said it many times that if i'm choosing between signing Reke or Jrue going forward, it's Reke. I'd prefer he be the PG going forward, and i'd prefer to get something in a trade for Jrue. i'd love to have the both, but we can't afford to pay them both the money they will want. We could if we had a decent SF on this team, and not one that makes too much money for nothing, but the salary situation we are in wont' allow us to keep them both, so get rid of one of them now for somethign.
I totally agree. It seems we're in the minority on this board, but I agree 100% with all of that.
The other guy I want back if possible is Galloway. The Pels consistently seem to score more points than the opponent when one or both of these guys is on the floor.
If I were GM, I'd try to extend Reke and trade Jrue now. Find a way to make at least one work, if you have to trade both so be it, but under no circumstances would I let either walk as free agents while getting nothing in return, a la Rino and EG.
I would be willing to part with any other player besides Reke, AD and Hield if we could attach Hill, Asik or Ajinca to any trade involving Jrue or anyone else.
Use whatever assets, picks and/or expirings you get in return to bring in the missing piece to complement AD and make the team competitive. He'll get over losing a friend if the move makes the team better.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 5:13 pm to Number 31
To the two people that seem to value Tyreke a lot more then most, what exactly do you envision with Tyreke going forward and what convinces you it is the right strategy?
Given:
- The cost to keep him
- Injury history
- Fit with Gentry(If Gentry is gone who makes it work with Evans?)
- What realistically goes around Evans with the cap limitations we have?
I'm just trying to see what I might be missing.
Given:
- The cost to keep him
- Injury history
- Fit with Gentry(If Gentry is gone who makes it work with Evans?)
- What realistically goes around Evans with the cap limitations we have?
I'm just trying to see what I might be missing.
This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 1/19/17 at 5:22 pm to NOLA Bronco
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Fit with Gentry(If Gentry is gone who makes it work with Evans?)
Erman running the hell out of Tyreke/AD Pick and Roll? If his jumper is now legit, isn't he basically everything people hoped he could become 4 years ago? His Per 36 numbers are career bests right now.
20.8 ppg, 8 assists, 6.6 rebs while taking 6.1 3s per game and hitting them at 35.6%
Bad Tyreke showing up at inopportune moments and fear of future injury are really his main negatives. All I know is they better get something for him if they don't plan to keep him.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 5:51 pm to TigerinATL
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Erman running the hell out of Tyreke/AD Pick and Roll? If his jumper is now legit, isn't he basically everything people hoped he could become 4 years ago? His Per 36 numbers are career bests right now.
I guess I am partially still waiting on a better sample size. As his numbers are a bit weird and I want to see where they level off at.
For instance last season, in his small sample, he shot 41% on catch and shoot threes. I was actually a bit excited about him maybe developing into a player that could play off-ball and work in a motion offense with Jrue. If he got the "motion" part down(a big if, especially given some comments he made). This season though? 21%. The positive spin though is his role is different and the sample size unreliable.
Both seasons though his pull up jumper looks better. 69 pull up threes at around 41% across both seasons. And just in general he seems to be more consistent in his improved form(though still leaning too much occasionally IMO).
The catch there though, and in general, is what lifts his percentages is his efficiency on wide open looks. He is 30% on shots with less then 6 feet to the closest defender. On the one hand that may bode well for his catch and shoot numbers climbing, on the other, what happens if teams start playing him tighter around the perimeter? And in a starting role situation? Can that efficiency survive those defensive adjustments?
For me, with the deadline fast approaching and his injury history, plus our needs as a team, I would still just try and trade him.
That was why I was asking, since maybe I am missing some things or a good strategy that involves keeping him.
This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 1/19/17 at 6:02 pm to NOLA Bronco
I just looked through all the teams for a good trade partner and their really aren't many that would want him and can send something non toxic back.
If Atlanta doesn't blow it all up maybe you can get them to take Tyreke/Ajinca. Schroeder not wanting to share the back court probably means Atlanta would view this as a playoff push rental so dumping Ajinca might be all you get out of it.
Tyreke/Ajinca to Charlotte for Sessions/Hawes works. Would Charlotte give up a 1st rounder again after they just traded one for Belinelli? Sessions is a team option next year and Hawes has a $6 million player options. So you're at least getting out of Ajinca's deal early even if he opts in.
If Atlanta doesn't blow it all up maybe you can get them to take Tyreke/Ajinca. Schroeder not wanting to share the back court probably means Atlanta would view this as a playoff push rental so dumping Ajinca might be all you get out of it.
Tyreke/Ajinca to Charlotte for Sessions/Hawes works. Would Charlotte give up a 1st rounder again after they just traded one for Belinelli? Sessions is a team option next year and Hawes has a $6 million player options. So you're at least getting out of Ajinca's deal early even if he opts in.
This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 6:04 pm
Posted on 1/19/17 at 6:05 pm to TigerinATL
Yeah thats the catch for sure. We(I) can say "trade him for something of positive value." But that assumes someone is willing to do that.
Which as you show may not be the case.
Which as you show may not be the case.
This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 1/19/17 at 7:30 pm to NOLA Bronco
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To the two people that seem to value Tyreke a lot more then most, what exactly do you envision with Tyreke going forward and what convinces you it is the right strategy?
Well, we need a PG. I've seen enough of Jrue to know that he is never going to be that secondary option on offense that can won us games by himself, and he's always hurt. Couple that with the fact that some people think he will command 4/100, it would further strain us salary wise while leaving us no better than a .500 at best. I want no part of a $25M/yr Jrue.
At least I know Tyreke is capable of winning us games down the stretch. That's what the NBA is all about. What team has the best closer. Reke is a closer, and will cost a lot less. His shot is looking respectable, and he can still get to the goal on anyone.
This team needs another star. jrue ain't that guy. I'd rather get a first for him and have the possibility to find that star in the draft.
I believe Reke can lead us to more wins with the same team at PG than Jrue can, and he's proven that already. So why would I want to keep Jrue over Reke?
If you can get a guy like Rubio or Elfrid for Jrue, then fine let Reke go.
I personally would like to get whatever we can for both of them, and get Shaun Livingston in FA to be the PG going forward.
All we are talking about here is role players. None of them will make us a contender. If we had SF or SG that was an all star, then I'd want to resign Jrue. But we don't have that, so quit spending money on people that don't take us to the next level. Get that second guy with AD, then you can be an idiot overpaying for role players.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 7:32 pm to NOLA Bronco
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Yeah thats the catch for sure. We(I) can say "trade him for something of positive value." But that assumes someone is willing to do that.
Which as you show may not be the case.
When is the trade deadline?
Surely there has got to be at least one team competing for a playoff spot/seeding that thinks that a versatile guard that can create, get to the rim and run the point would elevate theit chances in that pursuit.
If Tyreke can be re-signed, I'd rather trade Jrue assuming there's not sufficient money to keep both and/or one or both may be unwilling to resign.
I guess my point is, if they won't resign before the deadline then trade both for whatever assets you can get rather than just letting them walk.
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