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re: Trade Davis?

Posted on 6/19/17 at 12:25 pm to
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
63431 posts
Posted on 6/19/17 at 12:25 pm to
quote:


Trade Davis?
There is no scenario out there where the Pels trade AD. Not happening.



Bingo!
Posted by Spelt it rong
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2012
9999 posts
Posted on 6/19/17 at 12:45 pm to
I propose we trade you.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115391 posts
Posted on 6/19/17 at 12:47 pm to
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Davis to Boston for Smart and the 3rd pick




quote:

wouldnt be upset with the trade.


Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
30162 posts
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:14 pm to
Davis is worth more than Smart and that pick.
Posted by Cap Crunch
Fire Alleva
Member since Dec 2010
54189 posts
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:37 pm to
quote:

Trade Davis?


quote:

Davis to Boston for Smart and the 3rd pick (josh jackson).


quote:

I really like AD but wouldnt be upset with the trade.

Posted by kysportsman
Kentucky
Member since Mar 2012
1323 posts
Posted on 6/19/17 at 9:48 pm to
I wouldn't do that trade if I was promised Jen Hale squatting on my face to celebrate.,
Posted by kysportsman
Kentucky
Member since Mar 2012
1323 posts
Posted on 6/19/17 at 9:53 pm to
DeMarcus Cousins hates a few players in the league, CP3 and Marcus Smart.
This post was edited on 6/19/17 at 9:55 pm
Posted by DeionDeion
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2010
6110 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 3:40 pm to
I know its absolutely 100% insane to consider trading AD and I am not in favor of doing it but let's at least talk about this option. The only reason to consider a Celtics trade is if its too good to pass up, if the timing is right (Cousins is under contract for this season), if it doesn't put us into a 76ers-esqe 5-10 year pit of despair, and/or if it sets us up for a better future. Now there are a tons of factors here but I think this trade could do all of those things. So here's the trade.

Celtics get:
AD and Asik

Pelicans get:
Avery Bradley, Jaylen Brown (add Tyler Zeller and Amir Johnson just to make the salaries work) + Celtics 2017 draft pick (3rd overall) + Nets 2018 first round draft pick

Why would the Celtics do this?
The Celtics will probably let Avery Bradley walk next offseason to resign Isaiah Thomas and give Marcus Smart more play time. Jaylen Brown won't be their franchise player and they want bigger fish. He is still a project and the Celtics want to win now. First round picks wouldn't get much play time on this team. Tyler Zeller and Amir Johnson are no longer needed due to Horford and AD in their lineup. The Celtics could then stretch Asik and still have money to sign Hayward this summer or Paul George next summer. Oh and the Celtics get one of the best players in the league and the ability to compete with anyone for a title.

PG: Isaiah Thomas
SG: Smart
SF: Hayward or PG or Crowder
PF: AD
C: Horford


Why do the Pelicans do it?
First this sucks to give up AD. We lucked into him going from #4 to #1 and he's the only consistent in New Orleans basketball since CP3. Plus it sucks for DMC who can't seem to catch a break when it comes to the talent around him. I think the Pelicans could pull the trigger because its a crazy offer then doesn't send them into basketball purgatory. You get Avery Bradley, one of the best defensive SG in the NBA and a career 36-37% 3-point shooter at the old age of 26. You get a talented young player in Jaylen Brown. He won't put the Pelicans over the hump but (give or take a few of his skills) he's Solomon Hill at age 20 on a rookie salary. You get rid of the albatross that is Asik. You can immediately drop Amir Johnson. And you get two top 5 picks over the next 2 years. In this scenario, I think we'd have to resign Jrue to convince Bradley and Cousins to stay in the 2018 offseason (I'd prefer letting Jrue walk but I don't think Bradley or Cousins would stay). Yes the Pelicans would take a step back next season, but it wouldn't put them in the same spot the 76ers started in a few year ago. They gain assets, regain flexibility, and could still attract solid players in FA because they have a top 10 player in DMC who Finch can still run his offense through.

The plan would be to let Amir Johnson walk and resign Jrue. Next summer, let Zeller walk, resign Bradley and Cousins. Obviously at some point go after a big named player at SF or PF

PG: Jrue/Cook/Crawford
SG: Bradley/Moore
SF: Hill/J. Brown/Q-Pon
PF: Zeller/Diallo
C: DMC/Ajinca

Plus we get cap flexibility and 3 potential lottery picks in the next 2 years (Boston's #3 this year, Nets 2018 first rounder, and Pels 2018 first rounder).


Regardless of what we get back, the thought of trading AD is nauseating. But even if we don't trade AD, DMC and Jrue could still walk without returning value to the Pelicans leaving the organization with nothing to show for it. Our "big 3" would be AD, Solomon Hill, and Moore which would go no where. If Jrue and DMC walk, I highly doubt AD would want to stay. This would SIGNIFICANTLY lower his market value because teams would know he wants out and leaving the Pels no other option. In trading AD to the Celtics, even if Jrue, DMC, and Bradley decide to leave, the Pelicans would at least be a few years ahead in the rebuilding process. This is simply another way of looking at the current state of the Pelicans and what our future options are.
This post was edited on 6/21/17 at 10:41 am
Posted by kysportsman
Kentucky
Member since Mar 2012
1323 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 4:05 pm to
Trade AD and you can book DMC ticket out.
Posted by DeionDeion
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2010
6110 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 4:34 pm to
Well it won't happen because with Dell and Gentry on the hot seat, trading AD would immediately get them fired. But let me ask you this. Do you have another plan other than trying to lure big named stars in free agency? And do you think its the most effective plan?
Posted by NOLADirty
Dallas
Member since Jul 2013
523 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:15 pm to
Kill Yourself !
Posted by kysportsman
Kentucky
Member since Mar 2012
1323 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:41 pm to
I agree. Even with AD and Boogie it would be near impossible to lure top talent. CP3 would be off the charts with those two. They must get creative and go all in or I agree trade AD and Boogie as some would use him as a years rentsl and maybe sign long term.
If that's the case, float rumors out there and see what teams offer for a top 3 talent,still not in his prime.
Posted by kysportsman
Kentucky
Member since Mar 2012
1323 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:44 pm to
One more thing, the Pels have had going on 6 years with AD. Other than the trade for Boogie and what turned out a bad deal, Nerlens and a top 10 pick for Jrue.
Posted by DeionDeion
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2010
6110 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:54 pm to
Yea I mainly brought all that up for discussion and as another way to look at all of this. But to be real AD is going to be a Pelican for as long as he's under contract.

So with that being said, if we are going to keep Boogie and AD and Jrue is walking we need to shoot for the stars. For example I think we need to get in on this PG trade even if he is a one year rental.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
11850 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 10:43 pm to
quote:

For example I think we need to get in on this PG trade even if he is a one year rental.
With what assets?
Posted by DeionDeion
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2010
6110 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 11:17 pm to
Future firsts can be traded on draft night if I'm not mistaken. Add Diallo, Moore, or send Solo back to them.

That combo can at least rival pick 27, 28, and Julius Randle
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 11:18 pm
Posted by VA LSU fan
Virginia
Member since Dec 2007
7872 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 11:18 pm to
I bet the Lakers would offer Ingram, Randle, Clarkson, and picks 27 and 28 for Davis.
Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
12719 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 11:55 pm to
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Well it won't happen because with Dell and Gentry on the hot seat, trading AD would immediately get them fired. But let me ask you this. Do you have another plan other than trying to lure big named stars in free agency? And do you think its the most effective plan?


It damn sure better get them or at least Dell fired. We want to give a second chance at a rebuild to a guy that would have f'd away the prime of AD's career to the point we had to trade AD with 3! Years left on his deal? No way.

You trade AD, I don't know how you sell basketball to this city. You would have gotten one series win out of prime CP3 and AD. Can we possibly hope for better?

In your fictional trade scenario, Boston screwed any chance they had at making it interesting when they dumped Fultz into Philly's lap. Colangelo isn't wrong. The #1 pick is where you want to be.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
11850 posts
Posted on 6/21/17 at 7:09 am to
quote:

I bet the Lakers would offer Ingram, Randle, Clarkson, and picks 27 and 28 for Davis.

And Dell should hang up the phone in a second. Not even close to good value.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
11850 posts
Posted on 6/21/17 at 7:10 am to
quote:

Future firsts can be traded on draft night if I'm not mistaken. Add Diallo, Moore, or send Solo back to them.

That combo can at least rival pick 27, 28, and Julius Randle


How many firsts? One first and those assets do not rival the Lakers offer.
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