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Tom Ziller's top 100 free agents of 2016
Posted on 2/1/16 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 2/1/16 at 6:40 pm
Skimming through it right now but thought I'd share the times the Pels were mentioned:
I'm surprised to see Gordon higher up the list than Anderson, but either way it looks like both guys could be too expensive for us to bring back, especially if we throw a max contract at a guy like Derozan. But I figured that with the way this season is going its never too early to look forward to free agency. Nick Batum and Harrison Barnes are the top SFs (not named Kevin Durant) that we should target.
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4. DeMar DeRozan, Toronto Raptors
Player option ($10 million)
DeRozan should absolutely opt out of his deal given his All-Star credentials and the rising salary cap. Given how shallow this free agent pool is at the top, he's a clear candidate for a max deal, whether in Toronto or from one of the franchises desperate for talent. It should be noted that DeRozan is from Los Angeles, so the Lakers will probably chase him hard. The Heat (if Dwyane Wade's tenure ends), Nets, Knicks, Hornets and Pelicans could try to get into the conversation, too. The Jazz and Nuggets would be interesting, but he's not going to the Jazz or Nuggets.
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17. Eric Gordon, New Orleans Pelicans
Unrestricted
Here's the thing with Eric Gordon: You can't commit too much because he's a walking injury risk, but he's so good when healthy that he sort of requires a big contract. He's the perfect No. 2 or 3 option for lots of teams, but he's going to want $20 million per season and probably a four-year deal. That's a big outlay for someone with his long medical chart, even in the high-cap NBA era. It only takes one team, though.
The weird thing is he's perfect for New Orleans on paper, but there seems to be little chance the Pelicans bring him back.
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25. Ryan Anderson, New Orleans Pelicans
Unrestricted
It'll be a small miracle if the Pelicans don't flip Anderson by the deadline to ensure assets come back, even though in a perfect world Anderson and Anthony Davis would be New Orleans' starting frontline. Anderson is a prototypical stretch-4, a deft shooter who in the past has also effectively crashed the offensive boards. Offensive rebounding is out of vogue, so Ryno is much more one-dimensional. Still, that dimension is pretty key.
He's a defensive minus (on par with Kevin Love, to be honest), so he needs a co-star who can guard the rim and sub on to pick-and-roll threats. Indiana looks like a rather good fit on paper (presuming the Pacers keep a defender like Ian Mahinmi at center), but the Pistons are the dream spot here. Detroit should be able to afford Anderson despite his high price tag. That could help put the Pistons into the East's top tier, presuming they keep Drummond and one of the two key wings (Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and Stanley Johnson) develops.
Toronto, Washington, Miami, Phoenix, Houston and Memphis all make sense, too. The market for Anderson could be huge!
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86. Norris Cole, Pelicans (Unrestricted): He spent four years in college, but he's working on his fourth NBA season below 40 percent field goal percentage.This is his fourth straight season around 24 minutes. He's never averaged double-digit scoring or more than 3.5 assists per game. But hey, two rings.
I'm surprised to see Gordon higher up the list than Anderson, but either way it looks like both guys could be too expensive for us to bring back, especially if we throw a max contract at a guy like Derozan. But I figured that with the way this season is going its never too early to look forward to free agency. Nick Batum and Harrison Barnes are the top SFs (not named Kevin Durant) that we should target.
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Posted on 2/1/16 at 6:43 pm to Cap Crunch
Derozan is so meh. No thanks
Posted on 2/1/16 at 7:09 pm to Lester Earl
I admittedly don't watch much of the Raptors but a max contract does seem excessive for a SG who shoots below 30% from 3 for his career
Posted on 2/1/16 at 7:18 pm to Cap Crunch
Yeah DD is the definition of "meh". He's a good player but max? Nah.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 7:19 pm to Cap Crunch
The GM that pays Eric Gordon $20 million per year needs to be fired
Posted on 2/2/16 at 12:26 am to Cap Crunch
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but he's so good when healthy that he sort of requires a big contract.
Ziller posting from 2010.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 12:40 am to Cap Crunch
Mike Conley spent so much of his career being underrated that he's crossed over to being overrated.
There's no way Ryan Anderson's only the 25th best free agent on this market. Jennings ahead of him? Bazemore? Gordon? Ezeli? Broken down Noah? No way.
There's no way Ryan Anderson's only the 25th best free agent on this market. Jennings ahead of him? Bazemore? Gordon? Ezeli? Broken down Noah? No way.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 10:32 am to eyeran
I rather have Batum over Derozan. But out of the whole list, if lakers let Jordan Clarkson go. We definitely should get him even if he's restricted. Kid got so much potential.
Ps. I would say Barnes, but I highly doubt Gs would let him go..
Ps. I would say Barnes, but I highly doubt Gs would let him go..
Posted on 2/2/16 at 11:21 am to duyp
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Ps. I would say Barnes, but I highly doubt Gs would let him go..
They can't keep everyone.
But if they find a way to keep Ezeli and Barnes, and then Looney becomes a contributor, the league is fricked for a while.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 11:58 am to TeddyPadillac
It'll be interesting to see who they let go. I think they would put barnes before Ezeli. Only way we would go for Ezeli is if we trade Asik.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 12:33 pm to duyp
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if we trade Asik
Seems to be the common theme. Crazy that we just decided a few months ago that he deserved a 5 year, 60 million deal. It's frustrating because we were setting ourselves up perfectly for a clean slate and financial freedom for the first time in a long time. Then we decide to lock up two mediocre front court players (Asik and Ajinca) to long term deals. I was a believer in Dell until this past summer.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 12:37 pm to Cap Crunch
quote:this statement fails multiple times
Here's the thing with Eric Gordon: You can't commit too much because he's a walking injury risk, but he's so good when healthy that he sort of requires a big contract. He's the perfect No. 2 or 3 option for lots of teams, but he's going to want $20 million per season and probably a four-year deal
Posted on 2/2/16 at 12:47 pm to Fearthehat0307
nah it only fails once.
he's decent when healthy
Brooklyn, 76ers, Lakers would love him right now
i mean, who wouldn't
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he's so good when healthy
he's decent when healthy
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He's the perfect No. 2 or 3 option for lots of team
Brooklyn, 76ers, Lakers would love him right now
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he's going to want $20 million per season and probably a four-year deal
i mean, who wouldn't
Posted on 2/2/16 at 12:48 pm to Fearthehat0307
To be fair, he does say that Gordon is going want $20 MM per, which I'm sure is true. That doesn't mean he will get it.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 12:49 pm to novowels
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Crazy that we just decided a few months ago that he deserved a 5 year, 60 million deal
IMO, Dell was hoping he would perform well enough that he could package him at the deadline. He is on a decent contract if he performs more along the lines of how he did defensively last season. That's a bit if, and he's just not there this season.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 12:49 pm to Cap Crunch
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To be fair, he does say that Gordon is going want $20 MM per, which I'm sure is true. That doesn't mean he will get it.
There's no soft selling it, Ziller must owe a story to Gordon's agent.
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19. Kent Bazemore, Atlanta Hawks
Unrestricted
Bazemore has assumed the DeMarre Carroll role in Atlanta in every way, including jumping in line for a massive pay raise, quite possibly from another team. Bazemore is hitting 42 percent of his threes while taking four per game, and he's solid on defense, although not quite as strong as Carroll. Teams should primarily recruit him as a two-guard, where his decent size helps on defense and the boards, but he can play small forward just fine against most teams, too.
You wonder if the same teams will be chasing Gordon and Bazemore and where the preference will lie. Gordon is more traditional in many ways, but will also be more expensive due to higher career scoring averages. But isn't Bazemore a better bet, or does the potential for fluky stats weight him down?
That's my hedge in having Bazemore a few spots lower than Gordon. We know what Gordon is. Bazemore is more of an educated guess at this point.
This post was edited on 2/2/16 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 2/2/16 at 1:22 pm to quail man
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IMO, Dell was hoping he would perform well enough that he could package him at the deadline. He is on a decent contract if he performs more along the lines of how he did defensively last season. That's a bit if, and he's just not there this season.
I read an article saying his confidence is totally shattered and he just recently started getting healthy again. Maybe if Pelicans can keep on winning, his confidence will get better.
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This post was edited on 2/2/16 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 2/2/16 at 1:26 pm to novowels
Not sure what the irritation with Ajincas deal is.
I mean just under 5 mil is going to be the going rate for decent/good backup centers.
I mean just under 5 mil is going to be the going rate for decent/good backup centers.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 1:41 pm to novowels
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we were setting ourselves up perfectly for a clean slate and financial freedom for the first time in a long time. Then we decide to lock up two mediocre front court players
Cap space this summer is fools gold more than usual. Everyone has space and the FA market sucks. Even then, NO isn't a destination city and the team was never going to be a contender. Their $$ is likely going nowhere.
So with that, re-upping players on 2015 prices for 2016 and beyond cap makes sense. Just like dealing picks for young vets makes sense in theory. Unfortunately for all of the major Pels moves, the reality has been far from the theory.
This post was edited on 2/2/16 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 2/2/16 at 1:51 pm to corndeaux
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So with that, re-upping players on 2015 prices for 2016 and beyond cap makes sense. Just like dealing picks for young vets makes sense in theory. Unfortunately for all of the major Pels moves, the reality has been far from the theory.
The problem is that these theories leave you with no budget contracts with potential (rookie deals). The complete neglect of the draft is the most frustrating thing about the Pelicans. We were given a star on a cheap contract and we put a bunch of mid priced youngish vets around him. Now that those contracts are expiring we have to resign them or compete in free agency because we have not developed anyone to take their place.
This post was edited on 2/2/16 at 1:53 pm
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