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Posted on 5/15/15 at 12:19 pm to Solo
From Howard Beck
Check out @HowardBeck's Tweet: LINK
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Didn't get this into today's story, but plugged-in source considers Alvin Gentry the favorite to coach Bulls. "The guy I'd put my money on."
Check out @HowardBeck's Tweet: LINK
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Same source expects a quick resolution to the Bulls/Thibs situation, likely with Thibs landing in New Orleans.
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Posted on 5/15/15 at 12:33 pm to corndeaux
Why would Demps Fire Monty for not running the system he wants and hire essentially a better version of Monty? I just don't buy it
Posted on 5/15/15 at 12:39 pm to corndeaux
I know Loomis has publicly said this is Demps' coaching search to run, but it seems like it'd be hard for Demps to take much of a risk on a coach with his contract situation. Would they really give a 3 to 4 year deal to someone like Messina, who may be well respected but could easily flame out, get Demps fired, and have his replacement stuck with a coach he doesn't want?
I think Hoiberg's a nobrainer because he's essentially what Nick Saban was when he left LSU, the most highly regarded "pro ready" college coach (no brainer doesn't mean it will work out). Thibs is a nobrainer because he may be like Monty in many regards, but he's much better at it. Outside of that it looks like you either have a lot of risk or guys that are similar enough to Monty that you might as well have kept Monty.
I think Hoiberg's a nobrainer because he's essentially what Nick Saban was when he left LSU, the most highly regarded "pro ready" college coach (no brainer doesn't mean it will work out). Thibs is a nobrainer because he may be like Monty in many regards, but he's much better at it. Outside of that it looks like you either have a lot of risk or guys that are similar enough to Monty that you might as well have kept Monty.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 12:42 pm to TigerinATL
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I think Hoiberg's a nobrainer because he's essentially what Nick Saban was when he left LSU, the most highly regarded "pro ready" college coach (no brainer doesn't mean it will work out). Thibs is a nobrainer because he may be like Monty in many regards, but he's much better at it. Outside of that it looks like you either have a lot of risk or guys that are similar enough to Monty that you might as well have kept Monty.
My thoughts exactly.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 12:48 pm to tgr4ever
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hire essentially a better version of Monty?
He's not a slightly better version though, he's significantly better. Based on what he's done with the Bulls I don't expect the offense to drop off much if any (had a top 11 or better offense 3 of the the 5 years and the dark years were when Rose was out, Butler was young and Deng was the #1 option). I do expect the defense to become top 3. Top 10 offense + Top 3 defense should be good enough for a 4 seed or better in the West and at least Memphis level dark horse contention. That's a fair amount better than scrapping for the 7-8 seed.
One concern I do have with Thibs is why did the DRtg drop to 11th this year after being 1,2,6,2 the previous 4 years, and how flexible is he on defense. A comment Zach Lowe made got me thinking about, he said everybody had been copying Thibs defense on pick and rolls but many are starting to change. Is he a one trick pony on defense that became a HC at the right time, or is he a defensive mastermind that will adjust his schemes as the league adjusts?
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Posted on 5/15/15 at 12:49 pm to tgr4ever
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Why would Demps Fire Monty for not running the system he wants and hire essentially a better version of Monty? I just don't buy it
If Demps wanted to keep his job, why would you not go after a top 5 coach in the NBA? Demps can't be that narrow minded I would assume. He traded a shitload of 1st rounders for Asik/Holiday, who would be instrumental pieces in a Thibs defense.
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One concern I do have with Thibs is why did the DRtg drop to 11th this year after being 1,2,6,2 the previous 4 years, and how flexible is he on defense. A comment Zach Lowe made got me thinking about, he said everybody had been copying Thibs defense on pick and rolls but many are starting to change. Is he a one trick pony on defense that became a HC at the right time, or is he a defensive mastermind that will adjust his schemes as the league adjusts?
Wasn't Noah dinged up all year? Gibson played less minutes. Add Pau Gasol, Dunleavy, Brooks, and Mirotic to the equation.
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Posted on 5/15/15 at 12:51 pm to TigerinATL
Will Thibs call a TO before an opposing team cuts a 15-20 point lead down to nothing?
If the answer is "yes", than he is isn't simply a better version of Monty.
If the answer is "yes", than he is isn't simply a better version of Monty.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 12:56 pm to Solo
People kept calling Monty a defensive coach, but no one has seen any evidence of that. He's a player's coach that was hands on and tried to develop players.
Thibs actually IS a great defensive coach. I wouldn't call him a version of Monty at all.
But still, I want Hoiberg. If it is Thibs, I'll be pumped as well though.
And Gentry is a good hire for Chicago, but I have no faith in him as a HC.
Thibs actually IS a great defensive coach. I wouldn't call him a version of Monty at all.
But still, I want Hoiberg. If it is Thibs, I'll be pumped as well though.
And Gentry is a good hire for Chicago, but I have no faith in him as a HC.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 1:08 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:If we are already hearing of Chicago not getting Hoiberg, it could be that he is not ready to leave the college ranks. I would think Chicago would near the top of his list for an NBA job.
People kept calling Monty a defensive coach, but no one has seen any evidence of that. He's a player's coach that was hands on and tried to develop players. Thibs actually IS a great defensive coach. I wouldn't call him a version of Monty at all. But still, I want Hoiberg. If it is Thibs, I'll be pumped as well though. And Gentry is a good hire for Chicago, but I have no faith in him as a HC.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 1:09 pm to Fun Bunch
LOL Jimmy Smith wants a name just to putt butts in seats.
86% on NOLA.com said no to hoiberg
Pray for these unfortunate souls
86% on NOLA.com said no to hoiberg
Pray for these unfortunate souls
Posted on 5/15/15 at 1:11 pm to ShamelessPel
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Wasn't Noah dinged up all year? Gibson played less minutes. Add Pau Gasol, Dunleavy, Brooks, and Mirotic to the equation.
I lean towards that too, Thibs earned his keep for too long as a defensive assistant to be a one trick pony, I just didn't follow the Bulls that closely this year.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 1:24 pm to LosLobos111
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LOL Jimmy Smith wants a name just to putt butts in seats.
86% on NOLA.com said no to hoiberg
Pray for these unfortunate souls
People just have no clue about coaching hires.
Sooooooooooooo many people are calling talk radio and asking about Mark Jackson or Scott Brooks. Why? Because they know their names. They don't know who Fred Hoiberg is.
When Mike Ditka was hired people were cumming their pants. When Sean Payton was hired it was getting a lot of "Who?"
Posted on 5/15/15 at 3:36 pm to Fun Bunch
I've been reading a lot the last few days and I find it amazing how quickly narratives change. I don't understand why so many people are anti Thibs now. He has proven it with what was always a flawed roster, especially post Rose injury.
No, he doesn't play at a quick pace and he is not an offensive master mind. He does have the reputation of running players very hard. However, he played at a pace that maximized an offensively challenged roster and had big success. Luol Deng, Jimmy Butler, Joakim Noah, and Taj Gibson have all played well above expectations in his system.
He has lost 3 out of his five seasons to LeBron. We all know that in the NBA the transcendent player is normally going to beat the "good team" no matter the coaching. In NOLA, he would have the transcendent player, along with others who could thrive defensively. It might take a slight roster shake up but I think he could be really successful here.
I would be very happy with Hoiberg and a few others as well, I just don't get the Thibs hate.
No, he doesn't play at a quick pace and he is not an offensive master mind. He does have the reputation of running players very hard. However, he played at a pace that maximized an offensively challenged roster and had big success. Luol Deng, Jimmy Butler, Joakim Noah, and Taj Gibson have all played well above expectations in his system.
He has lost 3 out of his five seasons to LeBron. We all know that in the NBA the transcendent player is normally going to beat the "good team" no matter the coaching. In NOLA, he would have the transcendent player, along with others who could thrive defensively. It might take a slight roster shake up but I think he could be really successful here.
I would be very happy with Hoiberg and a few others as well, I just don't get the Thibs hate.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 3:37 pm to Fun Bunch
Zach Lowe and Kevin Arnovitz talk Thibs starting at the 29:00 minute mark of this podcast. LINK Nothing really ground breaking there.
* Both think Thibs would want to coach NOLA more than Orlando to the point they could see him sitting out a year and waiting for a better gig if he doesn't get the NOLA job.
* Both talk about interviews with multiple former Thibs player who thought he was a good coach but considered the experience draining and joyless and they also talk about the grind and minutes and injuries being a real issue.
* Both seemed excited about what he could do with AD in New Orleans, think it's a very good match, and didn't seem the least bit concerned about Thibs running AD into the ground despite having just gone on and on about how he runs players into the ground.
* Lowe says Thibs defense is transformative and expects if Thibs is the Pelicans coach they'd be a top 10 defense next year.
* Both think Thibs would want to coach NOLA more than Orlando to the point they could see him sitting out a year and waiting for a better gig if he doesn't get the NOLA job.
* Both talk about interviews with multiple former Thibs player who thought he was a good coach but considered the experience draining and joyless and they also talk about the grind and minutes and injuries being a real issue.
* Both seemed excited about what he could do with AD in New Orleans, think it's a very good match, and didn't seem the least bit concerned about Thibs running AD into the ground despite having just gone on and on about how he runs players into the ground.
* Lowe says Thibs defense is transformative and expects if Thibs is the Pelicans coach they'd be a top 10 defense next year.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 5:25 pm to TigerinATL
Great pod. The point about rim protectors and having size/strength on the perimeter was something the Pels seemed to ignore until QPon.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 5:32 pm to Fun Bunch
The Bulls HC gig is Hoiberg's if he wants it... that is if Thibs is fired which many feel is a foregone conclusion.
Posted on 5/16/15 at 9:07 am to papz
@gvtalk: So the new rumor is the Pelicans probably can't or won't pay what Tibbs wants?..chatted with guy at NBA CAMP
Posted on 5/16/15 at 10:33 am to macatak911
If true, it's because he wants an outrageous amount and full control, which we won't give him either.
But my guess is GV was talking to someone that was talking out his arse.
But my guess is GV was talking to someone that was talking out his arse.
Posted on 5/22/15 at 1:49 pm to Fun Bunch
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Speculation about Thibodeau being traded is just that. There is a feeling amongst insiders that Thibodeau will “not allow himself to be traded” to help the Bulls and will wait to be fired even if it means waiting and missing out on the current openings.
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