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re: The Reason for Keeping Eric Gordon
Posted on 5/6/13 at 7:52 pm to Zoombop
Posted on 5/6/13 at 7:52 pm to Zoombop
I hate this debate because Gordon backers also use the same circular logic that comes back to, you can't trade Gordon. It's either, he has been hurt and has no trade value. Or, once he's healthy he's too good to let go. So the team just has to keep holding onto to him and hope he gets better. I just can't accept that. If a bunch of guys on a message board can understand his potential value, then so can other NBA GMs.
It's no secret, I hate Gordon. He's overpaid, made of glass, sullen, pudgy and over rated. I can't stand to watch him play and I hate having him on this team. I would have never traded for him, would have let him go to Phx for nothing and would trade him now for a late 1st. The team is better without him...
It's no secret, I hate Gordon. He's overpaid, made of glass, sullen, pudgy and over rated. I can't stand to watch him play and I hate having him on this team. I would have never traded for him, would have let him go to Phx for nothing and would trade him now for a late 1st. The team is better without him...
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Posted on 5/6/13 at 7:59 pm to brmark70816
That's not exactly what the OP argues.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 8:02 pm to VOR
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That's not exactly what the OP argues.
Not just that but:
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If a bunch of guys on a message board can understand his potential value, then so can other NBA GMs.
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He's overpaid, made of glass, sullen, pudgy and over rated.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:19 pm to brmark70816
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I hate this debate because Gordon backers also use the same circular logic that comes back to, you can't trade Gordon. It's either, he has been hurt and has no trade value. Or, once he's healthy he's too good to let go. So the team just has to keep holding onto to him and hope he gets better. I just can't accept that. If a bunch of guys on a message board can understand his potential value, then so can other NBA GMs.
That's not necessarily true. I'm not trying to say we could be GMs, but there are definitely actual GMs who would be willing to take a gamble on Eric Gordon. Hell, the Hornets took a gamble last summer signing him to an almost max deal. It's not whether or not a GM is dumb, rather it comes to circumstance. Look what Philly did by trading for Bynum. If he's healthy, they're geniuses, if he's hurt, they're idiots. Obviously the arrow leaned more toward him being injured and that's what ended up happening, but they felt they were one piece away from contention in the East so they took a gamble. There is no cookie-cutter approach to situations like that. Each circumstance is unique.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:21 pm to brmark70816
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Gordon backers also use the same circular logic
quote:i'm not sure me believing he has minimal trade value qualifies me as a Gordon backer
has no trade value
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:23 pm to Cap Crunch
Cap Crunch
Playing in games isn't the only measure that goes into judging a veteran player. You'd have seen that by actually reading my reasoning.
I take his ability for face value and discount what people say he "could be" or "should be".
I mean I left a qualifier in the freaking reason title. Now I'm just beginning to think you're trolling.
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He hasn't played a full season in his career since his rookie year
Playing in games isn't the only measure that goes into judging a veteran player. You'd have seen that by actually reading my reasoning.
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I've yet to see him produce fully given his ability
I take his ability for face value and discount what people say he "could be" or "should be".
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Just because we aren't paying anyone else money and have some to spend doesn't mean that we aren't completely overpaying for him
I mean I left a qualifier in the freaking reason title. Now I'm just beginning to think you're trolling.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:25 pm to Zoombop
Just to clarify, I'm not a Gordon backer, nor am I against him. I'm a Gordon qualifier. I understand reasons he should stay, and understand reasons he should go. For this argument, I decided to stand on a side that has a typically weaker defense.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 11:16 pm to Zoombop
Solid post.
Agree or not, I see merit what in what you say and how you said it.
Kudos.
Agree or not, I see merit what in what you say and how you said it.
Kudos.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 11:23 pm to GynoSandberg
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Didn't read but I wanted to trade him and now that the season is over I moved to the "wait and see" approach.
I think a fresh slate in 2014, along with some more talent as well as AD +1 year older will hopefully be all Gordon needs to be that 20ppg player we traded for
Posted on 5/7/13 at 3:15 am to Zoombop
Great post
I agree with everything
I agree with everything
Posted on 5/7/13 at 8:00 am to Zoombop
Great read.
Not opposed to dealing Gordon, but you make very good points for keeping him.
If I may add one more- the guy has been in a funk for 2 years. His team swore they wouldnt trade him; they did. He gets to NO, is then hurt, and cant play any more. He sees the team draft a lottery sg. He is told by management he needs to see what his FA market is. Is then called out for his injury by his head coach (Has Thibodeaux said anything about Rose?)
Has he been a bit ridiculous in how he handled some of these things? Absolutely. But you have to think (hope) he is ready to move on and get back to playing good basketball.
Not opposed to dealing Gordon, but you make very good points for keeping him.
If I may add one more- the guy has been in a funk for 2 years. His team swore they wouldnt trade him; they did. He gets to NO, is then hurt, and cant play any more. He sees the team draft a lottery sg. He is told by management he needs to see what his FA market is. Is then called out for his injury by his head coach (Has Thibodeaux said anything about Rose?)
Has he been a bit ridiculous in how he handled some of these things? Absolutely. But you have to think (hope) he is ready to move on and get back to playing good basketball.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 8:34 am to corndeaux
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But you have to think (hope) he is ready to move on and get back to playing good basketball.
I know it's better to be an optomist, but I don't see how people can have this much paitence. The guy has missed 20 or more games (1/4 of each season) 4 seasons in a row with 4 different injuries. He has had 2 different doctors suggest microfracture surgery and didn't have any surgery performed at all. I'm not even going to go into the strangest rehab schedule in the history of basketball, where he only plays games at home (last season) or he can't play back to backs after being released to play 3 months earlier. I just don't see how his knee is going to magically heal, he will get into reasonable shape and buy into a system that takes the ball out of his hands, in a place he doesn't want to live.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 8:43 am to brmark70816
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He has had 2 different doctors suggest microfracture surgery
Link or more details? I've only seen one of the team doctors mentioned as saying that.
This post was edited on 5/7/13 at 8:44 am
Posted on 5/7/13 at 8:53 am to brmark70816
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or he can't play back to backs after being released to play 3 months earlier.
Look at the recent knee injuries in the NBA: Rose, Gordon, Bynum, who else? It takes a while for these guys to come back. They are not muscle-bound like football players, which makes it harder to rehab as you have less strength and stability to support the knee.
Notice that the miraculous recoveries all seem to happen in the NFL, where PEDs are the elephant in the room. Does anyone really believe Adrian Peterson didn't have some *ahem* alternative treatment to that knee? You'll never convince me otherwise. That said, those situations are exactly what the drugs are designed for, but the enhancing quality tends to usurp the recovery qualities in the sports world.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 8:56 am to brmark70816
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I know it's better to be an optomist, but I don't see how people can have this much paitence.
I hear you and agree to a certain extent
All I can say in reply is that Gordon gives the roster a sense of purpose. The defense was bad and still plenty of roster holes, but you could see the beginnings of a real basketball team w/ Gordon on the floor.
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I'm not even going to go into the strangest rehab schedule in the history of basketball,
Tank
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buy into a system that takes the ball out of his hands
This isnt really true. His USAGE rate was around 30%. Thats up there with the Durants/LeBrons. If anything, he needs another guy who can get his own shot and an actual system for late game situations.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 8:59 am to corndeaux
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be an optomist
I SEE what you did there
Posted on 5/7/13 at 9:01 am to Jester
well played, sir
Posted on 5/7/13 at 9:04 am to TigerinATL
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Link or more details? I've only seen one of the team doctors mentioned as saying that
I did a simple google search of "eric gordon microfracture" and got 33,000 links. The team doctors suggested it in Feb. of last year and he turned it down to get his knee cleaned. Then Gordon thought about it again in Sept, but supposedly got scared and went to the doctor in Chicago for the alternative treatment (LINK ).
Posted on 5/7/13 at 9:10 am to brmark70816
So, the source is Chris Broussard...
Posted on 5/7/13 at 9:12 am to Jester
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It takes a while for these guys to come back
Of course you are right and I totally agree. The problem is, for whatever reason, Gordon has never had his knee repaired. You bring up Bynum, who Gordon said has the same condition. What happened to him? He ended up eventually needing surgery..
"This ends a year-long saga that saw a seemingly routine summer procedure turn into a serious injury. Bynum had an Orthokine procedure in September and was expected to return for the start of the season, but his timetable kept getting pushed back. Questions persisted as we reached mid-November until the 76ers' center admitted he suffered a setback in his left knee due to a bowling accident. Bynum has occasionally practiced since then, but never seriously enough to return."
So we are all just waiting for the other shoe to drop, until Gordon takes it too far and finally has to have it properly repaired..
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