re: The appeal of re-signing Ryno

So give me a guy and his realistic price tag and I can construct a very good argument about why the Ryno path is the better way to go.

I couldn't go through every possibility, but if you wanna give me one I will show you what their logic would look like

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Harkless is same age as Buddy Hield. Buddy's shot really developed in year 4 in college

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Not quite buddy. He was a good shooter his 2nd year, and an elite shooter his senior year.

Hield:
3p% 24%/39%/36%/46%
FT% 83%/75%/82%/88%

Harkless(first year college stats):
3p% 21%/27%/38%/18%/28%
FT% 68%/57%/59%/54%/62%

They are nothing similar, except age.
Buddy was never a bad free throw shooter. Harkless has always been a terrible free throw shooter. If you can't make a free throw, you probably can't make a 3 either with any consistency, usually. There are rare occurrences that contradict that.

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Are we at the beginning of his growth arch?

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Maybe, probably unlikely. If he could master the corner 3, be a great defender and rebounder, he could easily be worth close to that money. It took Carroll a few years to become a better shooter. One thing about Harkless that you hear from Blazer fans is his high motor, so there's that. He basically sounds like Aminu.

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It's not by any means the ideal offseason but there is a very very good possiblity that Dell only has a bunch of bad possibilities to choose between and there is logic in saying this might be the best of all the bad options.

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Given a bevy of bad options, the wise move is not to select what you find to be the least offensive, but rather to have the restraint to refrain from taking any of the bad options.

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But I know what will happen- people will compare the actual offseason with things they wanted that weren't real options for Dell

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And to an extent that is their right as fans of an organization that does not share much if any information. If the team or Dell thinks that is unfair, he always has the option to leak the actual options which were available.

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So give me a guy and his realistic price tag and I can construct a very good argument about why the Ryno path is the better way to go.

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Not that this would necessarily be my choice, but Jared Dudley at X for 2 years plus cap space is better than Ryno at Y for 4 years plus less cap space.

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They believe that regardless of the contract they sign Ryno for, he will be a positive asset on the trade market by February or next July

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And if his neck acts up or he hurts his knee that is out the window. This is a guy who has played 70 games one time in 8 years. Why gamble a 4 year and close to $80M contract on him staying healthy to get what in return? He may be a positive asset, but he won't be a big trade chip. So why risk it?

Also after all the trade deadline specualtion, I would expect his agent before re-signing here to insist on a no trade clause or at the least a 15% trade kicker.

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The main reason I want Ryno back is that, aside from AD, he was the only guy that could put the team on his back and carry them. Yeah, at times he's streaky. But especially when AD is out, Ryno can almost singlehandedly win a game. No one else on our roster had that capability, and that's hard to replac

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You are right about that. No different than when we had Peja.
you can look at just the box score and look at how Ryno or Peja shot from 3 and usually tell if we won or loss.

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Andrew Nicholson is not getting $15M+.

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Sorry I wasn't trying to imply that, I don't see Nicholson as a back in the day MLE guy, I was talking about the young wings. But if they're getting $15+ will he get $8-$10? Biyombo at $3 vs Asik at $10 under a $70 million cap is a more significant difference than Nicholson at $8 and Ryno at $16 under a $94 million cap. I agree with you and want to go younger and cheaper than Ryno, I just think we're less likely to say "Man I wish we gone with Nicholson instead of Ryno" like we have done with Asik and Biyombo.

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amore significant difference than Nicholson at $8 and Ryno at $16 under a $94 million cap

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The problem is the entire hypotehtical relies on the premise that everyone else gets an outrageous contract, but Ryno signs for something more reasonable to stay here when he likely gets a 4 yr/$80M offer from somewhere. I think it takes closer to $20M per with 7.5% raises to stay here and a 15% trade kicker and/or no trade clause.

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I agree with you and want to go younger and cheaper than Ryno, I just think we're less likely to say "Man I wish we gone with Nicholson instead of Ryno" like we have done with Asik and Biyombo.

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I get that and I don't necessarily want to sign Nicholson, but would prefer Nicholson for 2-3 yrs at under $10M than Ryno for 4 years closer to $20M. Just expressing that re-signing Ryno is never the only option.

I am simply against signing Ryno to 4 years and near $20M. Too big of a risk in my mind for not much payoff. I would rather stay flexible and try to discover some younger talents.

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I think it takes closer to $20M to stay here and a 15% trade kicker and/or no trade clause.

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Demps has implied they have their limits publicly and MM has been pointing to $16-$18 which I'm assuming is a somewhat informed opinion. So I'm hoping Ryno at $20 means he's going home to Sacramento.