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So what is Bill Simmons/Ringer’s deal with the Pels?

Posted on 10/17/17 at 1:13 pm
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 10/17/17 at 1:13 pm
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The ringer ranks them 14th in the West. 14th.

It seems like Simmons always takes every opportunity to shite on them, as some weird play to get Davis to the Celtics.

It’s really odd.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 10/17/17 at 1:21 pm to
And what is your argument? 9th?
Posted by Jamohn
Das Boot
Member since Mar 2009
13542 posts
Posted on 10/17/17 at 1:25 pm to
He has 3 agendas at work against the Pelicans that he constantly brings up:

1) You got the first one being that he wants Davis to get traded to the Celtics.

2) He doesn't think there should be an NBA franchise in New Orleans and wants them to move to Seattle.

3) Before the Boogie trade he really campaigned for Celtics to trade for him and constantly talked up how awesome Boogie was. Once the Pelicans got him, he constantly shits on Boogie to affirm that the Celtics were right in NOT trading for him. (AKA the classic "didn't want him anyway" move)
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9757 posts
Posted on 10/17/17 at 1:25 pm to
Its not that far off. Meddling PG, horrible wing players, no shooters and two dominant front court players who have to step back to accommodate the other's games (not to mention both are soft and don't want to play Center). Easily bottom 3rd of the league in talent. No playoff experience and and a bad coach. Only hope to make the playoffs is a MVP season by one of the big men. Normally that would get you a top 3 seed. Totally valid opinion..
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115391 posts
Posted on 10/17/17 at 1:26 pm to
quote:

And what is your argument? 9th?


Well, there is a drastic difference between 9th and 14th.

14th is one of the very worst teams in the entire league.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115391 posts
Posted on 10/17/17 at 1:27 pm to
quote:

Its not that far off.


Sorry, but it is. 14th is insane. Pure idiocy. 9th? 10th? Ok, I get it.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9757 posts
Posted on 10/17/17 at 1:45 pm to
Everything is based on those 2 players, everything. If one goes down or struggles, the season is over. The 15th team, Phoenix, is loaded with talent. It doesn't take much to see why people outside our market would doubt this team, especially this current group.
Posted by mindbreaker
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
7632 posts
Posted on 10/17/17 at 1:56 pm to
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Everything is based on those 2 players, everything. If one goes down or struggles, the season is over.


Hmm same thing applies for

OKC - Westbrook or George go down = season over
Houston - Harden or Paul go down = season over

Some teams its only one player

Wizards - Wall down = season over
Cavs - Lebron down = season over
Spurs - Kwahi down = season over

Of course you need your two best players to win. That's how the entire fricking league works. Get out of here with that bullshite.


Posted by Hester Carries
Member since Sep 2012
22391 posts
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:01 pm to
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Meddling PG,


did you mean middling?
Posted by ThePistol
Lafayette, LA
Member since Mar 2007
1510 posts
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:06 pm to
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Everything is based on those 2 players


Well...of course it is. It's the NBA and two guys who average 25+ppg and 10rpg on the same team makes a huge impact. It is up to them to make other players better.

I have tried to look at it from your point of view, and I have to figure that you feel that AD and Boogie are two of the most overrated players of all time. In order to get the Pels to 14th in the West, you have to figure that AD and Boogie have significant injuries (which shouldn't be a part of preseason predictions) or that they will both take significant steps backwards based on their career stats. Hell, you have to be assuming that every other team below them will be better and they will take a significant step backward by adding Cousins. Doubting this team is fine, thinking they will be a bottom 5 team in the NBA is not.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115391 posts
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:19 pm to
Even Boom doesn't think we are going to be the 14 seed.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61435 posts
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:20 pm to
quote:

Everything is based on those 2 players, everything. If one goes down or struggles, the season is over.


Last year's team was AD/Jrue and it was good enough for 10th in the West. Now you're adding Cousins to the mix. Even if you assume the Pels are still worse than the 9 ahead of them before and now Minnesota, that makes them 11. The only rational explanation for someone saying they're 14th best in the West is if you make the assumption things will go badly enough that they blow it all up and tank.
Posted by dj30
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2006
28714 posts
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:20 pm to
Its a guards league and our best guard is Jrue Holiday. Also Alvin Gentry is our coach.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25413 posts
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:20 pm to
2nd to last, or 14th in the west means a bottom 3-5 team in the league. To think that a team with AD and Cousins would finish in the bottom 3 is just retarded. You can't base your prediction on possible injuries, and if you aren't, then i don't want to ever hear or read anything from that person about anything basketball related again.

This arse hat is insinuating that the Pels will be similar to the Nets/Sixers/Lakers of the last 2 years. That's just not possible if healthy, and you can't base predictions on assuming someone will get injured.
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 10/17/17 at 3:32 pm to
frick Simmons
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115391 posts
Posted on 10/17/17 at 3:35 pm to
quote:

Its a guards league and our best guard is Jrue Holiday. Also Alvin Gentry is our coach.


Our best Guard last year was Jrue Holiday, and he missed half the season. Our coach was Alvin Gentry.

And we were the 10 seed and only had Boogie for like 20 games.

I can't see us being worse.
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
81272 posts
Posted on 10/17/17 at 3:36 pm to
Simmons hates our beloved Pellies more than he hates God Emperor Trump. He's a mess.
Posted by apfour21
New Orleans, LA
Member since Nov 2012
3143 posts
Posted on 10/17/17 at 3:48 pm to
He only has a few discussion points for the Pels and they are primarily....what month will we trade Demarcus to Cleveland and why is there a team in New Orleans? Thankfully he is wrong a lot.
Posted by Cap Crunch
Fire Alleva
Member since Dec 2010
54189 posts
Posted on 10/17/17 at 5:34 pm to
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did you mean middling?


Nah, I think he meant meddling, like if we miss the playoffs: "we would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for that meddling PG!"
This post was edited on 10/17/17 at 5:35 pm
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9757 posts
Posted on 10/17/17 at 6:38 pm to
I am assuming one or both well be injured for portions of this season. The pair average 27 missed games a season between them (Cousins has suspensions mixed in there as well). In 12 combined seasons, they only have 2 seasons I would consider injury free. They are just injury prone guys. Without one or the other, this is a sub .400 team. Not counting each other, this is the worst collection of talent each has ever played with. I'm not exaggerating when I say this is bottom 5 level talent. Its a bitter pill, but this has been a long time in the making..
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