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Season in Review: Tyreke Evans
Posted on 4/29/15 at 9:14 am
Posted on 4/29/15 at 9:14 am
Article from BSS on the good, the bad and the ugly with Tyreke. It's a long article but the point that stood out the most to me was what takes him out of games.
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He really needs to be a complimentary piece, not a central piece, when half the league can bring out Bad Tyreke.
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The Bad
Performance Against Top Interior Defenses
It is no secret what Tyreke wants to do on offense. He wants to get to the rim, and teams who can contest his shots there give him problems. Look at him vs. a team like Indiana who plays physical and has a monster in the paint. Evans went 9-23 against them this year and had his shot blocked 5 times. In fact, do you want to know why the Pelicans were so terrible against the East? Well, 9 of the top 12 paint defenses reside out there. Tyreke was awful against Indiana, Orlando, Washington, Charlotte, and Philadelphia – all games Pelicans fans point to when they say we should have had a better record. While none of those teams were good overall, they were great paint defenses and Tyreke shot 36% against those teams combined. And since the Pels were so dependent on Tyreke Evans this year, it is no surprise that they went 3-7 in those games despite arguably being better than all of them. Take a look at Tyreke’s shot chart in the two losses against Washington (a top 3 paint defense) for instance.
You look at who Tyreke played well against this year and aside from a few quality games against Chicago and Memphis, he seemingly just racked up his stats against the poor defenses or the defenses without a paint protector. I mean, he crushed Toronto, Sacramento, Houston, and Minnesota this year. Those teams ranked 23, 24, 26, and 30 in points allowed in the paint this season respectively. Golden State finished just outside of the top 10 in paint defense, mostly because of Bogut being gone for a while, but in the 7 games where Tyreke and Bogut both played, Tyreke shot just 32.8%.
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He really needs to be a complimentary piece, not a central piece, when half the league can bring out Bad Tyreke.
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Posted on 4/29/15 at 9:24 am to TigerinATL
He's a one-trick pony. If he's not slamming through the paint to the rim, he's not an effective player, and should not be playing. I still think he's best suited as a 6th man or bench unit offensive leader. Don't think he belongs as a starter with all his weaknesses
Posted on 4/29/15 at 9:42 am to TigerinATL
He's best suited for 6th man but like the article said, a lot of that depends on Jrue. I was surprised by how well his on the ball defense was though. If only he could work on off ball defense.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 9:51 am to WB504
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If only he could work on off ball defense.
I don't want to say it's impossible, because it's largely an effort/motor thing, but can you really change this? LINK Looking at the replay it's actually not as bad as I remember, but he's on one side of the court and makes no effort to fight through screens and follow his man to the other side of the court resulting in a layup.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 9:51 am to TigerinATL
Reke for life.
He needs a damn coach.
The Good.
This all just screams coaching to me. Screams it.
He needs a damn coach.
The Good.
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The Pelicans were 8th in offensive rating this year, and so much of that is due to Tyreke Evans. Evans contributed more to this team than any other Pelican, as his points and assists added up to 2537 Pelicans points in 79 games (32.1 per game) and he basically contributed a point per minute to the Pelicans, again the highest on the team. A little over one-third of Tyreke’s assists led to 3-point shots, as his 521 assists led to 1224 Pelicans points. Tyreke gets into the lane and can score, but he also sucks a defense in, which leaves guys open behind the arc. Time and time again, Tyreke found these guys and the Pelicans offense was dynamic because of it when Tyreke got going.
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In Pelicans wins, Tyreke’s scoring goes up about 12%, but the real difference between wins and losses is Tyreke’s assist numbers, which jump 45% in wins versus losses. When Tyreke can get into the lane, it opens things up for the entire team and when he is off the court or faces a matchup that is not a good one for him (more on this later), then the Pelicans offense goes from a top 10 unit to a bottom 3 unit. Now, a lot of that has to do with the fact that many of the minutes Tyreke plays are with AD and many of the minutes with him on the bench also feature AD on the bench, but Tyreke was still the engine that kept that machine running.
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Tyreke was the one guy on this team that could create offense when something broke down once Holiday got injured. Less than a third of his field goal attempts were assisted on as Tyreke lead the NBA this year in total drives with 940, about 10% more than James Harden. And his drives created more points (when you factor in both points he scored and assists, Kobe assists, FT assists, etc.) than every player outside of James Harden and Ty Lawson. Quite simply, Tyreke kept prodding defenses over and over again, and the result was a top 10 offense for the New Orleans Pelicans.
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Tyreke Evans missed just three games this year, despite being listed as “questionable” on the Pelicans injury report over 20 times. Knee and ankle issues plagued him all season, but he fought through all of those issues and played the most games and minutes for the Pelicans this season. For Evans, it was a career high in both games and minutes, and the Pelicans needed every single ounce of effort he gave them to make the playoffs.
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Tyreke Evans off the ball is a nightmare. On the ball, in isolation, he is elite. According to the Synergy stats, he ranked in the 96th percentile in these situations, allowing just 0.53 points per possession. Guys shoot just 22.7% against him in those situations, and I watched each of these possessions and you can see why. Tyreke has plenty of length, so he can play off a guy and bothers a guy with his strength when the player drives. Of high minute perimeter players this season, only Jae Crowder and Aaron Afflalo finished with better numbers.
This all just screams coaching to me. Screams it.
This post was edited on 4/29/15 at 9:54 am
Posted on 4/29/15 at 9:57 am to Solo
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This all just screams coaching to me. Screams it.
Confirmation bias at its finest.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 9:58 am to Solo
Huh didn't realize he was so good in ISO defense. If he could get a bit better off ball,it could make up for some of his shortcomings.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:10 am to Galactic Inquisitor
Possibly.
Or maybe he needs a coach other than ya boy, Monty, to put him in successful situations. Just a thought.
Or maybe he needs a coach other than ya boy, Monty, to put him in successful situations. Just a thought.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:21 am to Solo
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Or maybe he needs a coach other than ya boy, Monty, to put him in successful situations. Just a thought.
Does Monty make the unpopular call when his options are limited? Almost every single time. But one thing we really haven't gotten to see much of is what he does when his options aren't limited. Gordon returned to the lineup, we had brought in Dante and QPon and Monty was ready to shift Tyreke back to his 6th man role. We got to see it for 1 game. We got what, 12 games of the Finishing Five last year? Both instances were pretty successful. I still want a Monty upgrade, but it really isn't his fault that Tyreke played so much in situations where he wasn't best suited. You also have to wonder how much that affects his defense. We've seen Tyreke respond quite well to being benched. If the team was healthy and Monty could bench him for bad defensive effort, maybe good defensive effort would become a habit for him.
This post was edited on 4/29/15 at 10:22 am
Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:38 am to TigerinATL
Dude came to play every game and is extremely dependable. Wants to win. Good rebounder.
So what if he plays good against bad teams? He won us a ton of games.
Maybe when we play teams with good interior defense we should game plan for it and make the drive and kick more of a focus.
So what if he plays good against bad teams? He won us a ton of games.
Maybe when we play teams with good interior defense we should game plan for it and make the drive and kick more of a focus.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:43 am to TigerinATL
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Does Monty make the unpopular call when his options are limited? Almost every single time. But one thing we really haven't gotten to see much of is what he does when his options aren't limited. Gordon returned to the lineup, we had brought in Dante and QPon and Monty was ready to shift Tyreke back to his 6th man role. We got to see it for 1 game. We got what, 12 games of the Finishing Five last year? Both instances were pretty successful. I still want a Monty upgrade, but it really isn't his fault that Tyreke played so much in situations where he wasn't best suited. You also have to wonder how much that affects his defense. We've seen Tyreke respond quite well to being benched. If the team was healthy and Monty could bench him for bad defensive effort, maybe good defensive effort would become a habit for him
Yep, people act like benching him for Rivers or Jimmer was actually an option when he went full retard.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:45 am to SouthMSReb
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Maybe when we play teams with good interior defense we should game plan for it and make the drive and kick more of a focus
The issue is that team with good post defenders don't need to sag and help as much, which closes his passing lanes. His penetration is only useful offensively when he draws help. The Warriors were able to expose that flaw.
This post was edited on 4/29/15 at 11:32 am
Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:48 am to TigerinATL
Elite on ball defense and terrible off ball defense tells me that the potential is there.
Two years of Monty tells me that Monty either can't reach Reke or doesn't know how to reach him. I think it is the latter. Can anyone name for me a player who substantially improved on D under Monty in the last couple of years? Let's remove AD from this because he is a freak, and honestly I would argue that Monty should have his defensive game further along that it is anyway.
My point is this, Monty is supposed to be a solid defensive coach, but his teams are not good on D, even with AD/Asik. (This is even more apparent post CP3.) To me this reads like bad coaching, and is the crux of good Reke/bad Reke.
Two years of Monty tells me that Monty either can't reach Reke or doesn't know how to reach him. I think it is the latter. Can anyone name for me a player who substantially improved on D under Monty in the last couple of years? Let's remove AD from this because he is a freak, and honestly I would argue that Monty should have his defensive game further along that it is anyway.
My point is this, Monty is supposed to be a solid defensive coach, but his teams are not good on D, even with AD/Asik. (This is even more apparent post CP3.) To me this reads like bad coaching, and is the crux of good Reke/bad Reke.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:58 am to SouthMSReb
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So what if he plays good against bad teams? He won us a ton of games.
The "So what" is that maybe you don't want your entire offense dependent on him against teams where he has a bad matchup. I'm not looking to trade Tyreke, I just hope Jrue is healthy so we can see him dominate as a 6th man.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 11:10 am to Solo
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Two years of Monty tells me that Monty either can't reach Reke or doesn't know how to reach him. I think it is the latter.
Year 1 with Monty was a waste as both sides have admitted they weren't on the same page. But we've seen some serious progress with Tyreke this year. I don't think he is selfish or lazy or any of the negatives you think of when he plays poorly. By all accounts he's a great teammate with a good attitude and you could see his improvement at the PG position throughout the year. What changed? He learned the value to himself and the team of him being a facilitator. He learned that forcing awkward shots from bad positions over multiple defenders may not in fact be the best shot he can get on that play.
His lack of focus on defense needs to be handled the same way. A long process where sometimes you have to reinforce negatively with benching, and hopefully you get some positive reinforcement with making stops that matter.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 11:39 am to TigerinATL
I don't have the time to review tape, but how much of Tyreke's issue is ball-watching? He also doesn't really show that much speed and lateral explosiveness, which are crucial in chasing guys off-ball. When guys have to slow down to dribble the ball through the defensive zone, he is able to use his length to disrupt them. When they are able to just run freely, he tends to get left behind.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 12:51 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
There's also tyreke's jumpshot improvement:
2013: 10-16 Feet: 27.3% FG 16+: 24.7% 3 point: 22%
2014: 33.3% / 39.1% / 30.4%
A 6.0 / 14.4 and 8.2% increase respectively
His midrange was the highest of his career
2013: 10-16 Feet: 27.3% FG 16+: 24.7% 3 point: 22%
2014: 33.3% / 39.1% / 30.4%
A 6.0 / 14.4 and 8.2% increase respectively
His midrange was the highest of his career
Posted on 4/30/15 at 9:28 am to LosLobos111
....Damn thats impressive.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:15 am to LosLobos111
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There's also tyreke's jumpshot improvement:
2013: 10-16 Feet: 27.3% FG 16+: 24.7% 3 point: 22%
2014: 33.3% / 39.1% / 30.4%
A 6.0 / 14.4 and 8.2% increase respectively
His midrange was the highest of his career
Big improvements, but still pretty bad.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 11:21 am to LosLobos111
I'd rather he focus on learning how to draw FTs and get back to finishing at the rim at an above average percentage.
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