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Restarting the Greg Monroe talk
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:32 pm
Dwight Howard openly talked about wanting to go to Milwaukee at the trade deadline this season. Are we still the top destination for Greg Monroe if Dwight was offered max money in Milwaukee after opting out?
With Miles Plulmee unlikely to be extended in Milwaukee, and the Bucks wanting to add shooters, were Buddy Hield to fall to where we end up picking, would it be as simple as something like: Greg Monroe + 36&38 for Omer Asik + 1.6 (Buddy Hield)
Some of us keep saying that the money on Asik’s deal won’t look so bad in future years. That could be true as soon as this year. With the cap increase, Miles Plumlee could score a deal somewhere around the Kosta Koufos, Robin Lopez, Omer Asik territory. The Bucks aren't going to give that to him with the minutes and money they are committing to John Henson and Greg starting.
But would they reunite Howard/Asik, if it meant being able to move Monroe and land a player in the draft they'd have no chance of getting without winning the lottery in Hield? They can then also take another shooter at 1.10 in Furkan Korkmaz to bolster their bench. Solves too many problems for them to pass up, our next moves to follow.
2016-17 Bucks:
Dwight/Jabari/Middleton/Hield/Giannis + Henson/Asik/Korkmaz/MCW Goodness!
With Miles Plulmee unlikely to be extended in Milwaukee, and the Bucks wanting to add shooters, were Buddy Hield to fall to where we end up picking, would it be as simple as something like: Greg Monroe + 36&38 for Omer Asik + 1.6 (Buddy Hield)
Some of us keep saying that the money on Asik’s deal won’t look so bad in future years. That could be true as soon as this year. With the cap increase, Miles Plumlee could score a deal somewhere around the Kosta Koufos, Robin Lopez, Omer Asik territory. The Bucks aren't going to give that to him with the minutes and money they are committing to John Henson and Greg starting.
But would they reunite Howard/Asik, if it meant being able to move Monroe and land a player in the draft they'd have no chance of getting without winning the lottery in Hield? They can then also take another shooter at 1.10 in Furkan Korkmaz to bolster their bench. Solves too many problems for them to pass up, our next moves to follow.
2016-17 Bucks:
Dwight/Jabari/Middleton/Hield/Giannis + Henson/Asik/Korkmaz/MCW Goodness!
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Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:32 pm to patendedgmf
I'm saying they are giving us 36 & 38, because I think in this situation we can actually ask for something else, but 1.10 would likely be too much. Would put us with 4 high 2nds, and 3 in a row. (36, 38, 39, 40) Definite assets to USE. Whether we trade up for a developable bench big like AJ Hammons, undersized young shooter like Patrick McCaw, or use the picks to stash some international talent (bigs: Ante Zizic, Petr Cornelie, or wings: Juan Hernangomez, Paul Zipser, Rade Zagorac, Michael Gbinije) these picks need to be USED not sold for cash.
Swapping Asik for Monroe, and having no 1st round picks, puts us around $75MM committed. Barnes, Batum, Bazemore would still be in play with the proper tweaking of options. Crabbe, Fournier possible without. For me the resigning of Ryno or EG inches up to MORE likely if any trade is done.
My plan with a $92MM cap:
1. Trade: Greg Monroe + 36 & 38 for Omer Asik + 1.6 (Buddy Hield)
2. Cut Babbitt, Douglas, BDJ. Gee declines his option.
3. Use 2nds to get rid of Ajinca and Dante. The Clippers are up against the cap wall, with Wesley Johnson and Cole Aldrich likely to opt out - send them Ajinca + 39 and 40 for 25, where we can take AJ Hammons. SOMETHING like that.
4. Sign discounted Eric Gordon ($12MM per)
5. S&T Ryno + 36 to Detroit gets us Tobias Harris
“The trade for Tobias Harris gave the Pistons a more consistent third scoring option, but playing him with Marcus Morris has flaws. Both can move between small forward and power forward, but each is more suited to the three. That can put Van Gundy into a tough spot against a team that sports a big power forward, and only adds to the problems caused by Drummond’s free-throw issues.“
If you remember, we were temporarily involved in talks with Detroit and Orlando, for Tobias Harris.
SVG wanted Ryno, not Tobias. The sticking point was Evan Fournier. After the deal didn’t happen, someone leaked that WE wanted Evan Fournier and Orlando would not give him up. We speculated that it meant Ryno to DET, EGs expiring and Ilyasova’s voidable to Orlando, with us getting Tobias and Fournier. A STEAL! And when it didn’t happen, it came off like Orlando just didn’t want to part with Fournier at all.
Turns out, Detroit started the talks with Orlando about Evan Fournier, NOT Tobias. That deal between them happened when we wouldn’t let expiring Ryno and expiring EG go for just Tobias. Detroit wanted Ryno+Fournier, while we got Tobias, and Orlando took EG+Ilyasova. We were never getting Fournier, but he was available in the deal to Detroit. With all the cap Orlando has, they could have easily resigned EG at whatever the market sets as his price (not much different or possibly cheaper than the price to keep Fournier), and they would still be rid of Tobias.
Now I think we didn’t want to spend Ryno and EG on just Tobias, because it would have made us win more games and messed up the tank and we’d still have no SG, but having Fournier and his RFA included would have made it worth the drop in eventual 1st round pick. Makes sense.
Detroit is STILL interested in Evan Fournier. If Ryno wants to play for SVG again, DET could dump Tobias to us in the S&T, and then still have enough money to go pursue Evan Fournier in free agency. Perhaps Detroit kicks in a player (KCP?) or picks (whatever we give them) to the Magic to make that happen. A long round about way of getting Tobias, but dodging it messing up the tank.
6. Resign Perkins, Babbitt, Frazier, Ennis, BDJ to their minimums.
2016-17 Pelicans:
Monroe/AD23/Tobias/EG/Jrue + Tyreke/QPon/Hammons + Perkins/Babbitt/Frazier/BDJ/Ennis
Tyreke traded by deadline. Monroe and Jrue extended.
Core of Monroe/AD23/Tobias/EG/Jrue/QPon for roughly $90MM per in 2017-18 of a possible $110MM cap?
Leaves plenty cap room to upgrade, and more assets to do it with.
LEAGUE FCKED!!!
Swapping Asik for Monroe, and having no 1st round picks, puts us around $75MM committed. Barnes, Batum, Bazemore would still be in play with the proper tweaking of options. Crabbe, Fournier possible without. For me the resigning of Ryno or EG inches up to MORE likely if any trade is done.
My plan with a $92MM cap:
1. Trade: Greg Monroe + 36 & 38 for Omer Asik + 1.6 (Buddy Hield)
2. Cut Babbitt, Douglas, BDJ. Gee declines his option.
3. Use 2nds to get rid of Ajinca and Dante. The Clippers are up against the cap wall, with Wesley Johnson and Cole Aldrich likely to opt out - send them Ajinca + 39 and 40 for 25, where we can take AJ Hammons. SOMETHING like that.
4. Sign discounted Eric Gordon ($12MM per)
5. S&T Ryno + 36 to Detroit gets us Tobias Harris
“The trade for Tobias Harris gave the Pistons a more consistent third scoring option, but playing him with Marcus Morris has flaws. Both can move between small forward and power forward, but each is more suited to the three. That can put Van Gundy into a tough spot against a team that sports a big power forward, and only adds to the problems caused by Drummond’s free-throw issues.“
If you remember, we were temporarily involved in talks with Detroit and Orlando, for Tobias Harris.
SVG wanted Ryno, not Tobias. The sticking point was Evan Fournier. After the deal didn’t happen, someone leaked that WE wanted Evan Fournier and Orlando would not give him up. We speculated that it meant Ryno to DET, EGs expiring and Ilyasova’s voidable to Orlando, with us getting Tobias and Fournier. A STEAL! And when it didn’t happen, it came off like Orlando just didn’t want to part with Fournier at all.
Turns out, Detroit started the talks with Orlando about Evan Fournier, NOT Tobias. That deal between them happened when we wouldn’t let expiring Ryno and expiring EG go for just Tobias. Detroit wanted Ryno+Fournier, while we got Tobias, and Orlando took EG+Ilyasova. We were never getting Fournier, but he was available in the deal to Detroit. With all the cap Orlando has, they could have easily resigned EG at whatever the market sets as his price (not much different or possibly cheaper than the price to keep Fournier), and they would still be rid of Tobias.
Now I think we didn’t want to spend Ryno and EG on just Tobias, because it would have made us win more games and messed up the tank and we’d still have no SG, but having Fournier and his RFA included would have made it worth the drop in eventual 1st round pick. Makes sense.
Detroit is STILL interested in Evan Fournier. If Ryno wants to play for SVG again, DET could dump Tobias to us in the S&T, and then still have enough money to go pursue Evan Fournier in free agency. Perhaps Detroit kicks in a player (KCP?) or picks (whatever we give them) to the Magic to make that happen. A long round about way of getting Tobias, but dodging it messing up the tank.
6. Resign Perkins, Babbitt, Frazier, Ennis, BDJ to their minimums.
2016-17 Pelicans:
Monroe/AD23/Tobias/EG/Jrue + Tyreke/QPon/Hammons + Perkins/Babbitt/Frazier/BDJ/Ennis
Tyreke traded by deadline. Monroe and Jrue extended.
Core of Monroe/AD23/Tobias/EG/Jrue/QPon for roughly $90MM per in 2017-18 of a possible $110MM cap?
Leaves plenty cap room to upgrade, and more assets to do it with.
LEAGUE FCKED!!!
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:38 pm to patendedgmf
quote:
Greg Monroe
stop reading here
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:40 pm to patendedgmf
Re-stopping the Greg Monroe talk
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:44 pm to patendedgmf
quote:
Greg Monroe + 36&38 for Omer Asik + 1.6 (Buddy Hield)
HAHA
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:46 pm to tigerbait44
I'm just looking at options where we use our picks or S&T assets to get better...
Counting on free agency is a pipe dream. We are not a destination city, or team.
We'd be lucky to keep EG at a discounted rate. He could get that anywhere else.
Greg Monroe and Tobias Harris, two guys we've targeted via trade.
I speculate a way we get them via trade.
Who do you seriously think is coming here next year that is worth max money, but wants to come collect it in New Orleans? Greg Monroe is FROM here. He's one of the only guys that wants to come here. But he's not a FA till 2017-18 so we pay 1.6 to get him a year early and get rid of Asik in the process.
Counting on free agency is a pipe dream. We are not a destination city, or team.
We'd be lucky to keep EG at a discounted rate. He could get that anywhere else.
Greg Monroe and Tobias Harris, two guys we've targeted via trade.
I speculate a way we get them via trade.
Who do you seriously think is coming here next year that is worth max money, but wants to come collect it in New Orleans? Greg Monroe is FROM here. He's one of the only guys that wants to come here. But he's not a FA till 2017-18 so we pay 1.6 to get him a year early and get rid of Asik in the process.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:47 pm to patendedgmf
For the love of God, NO! Omer Asik is not a problem until we actually need the cap space he's occupying. If Kevin Durant said he'd come if we had the cap space then you pay this year's price to dump Asik. If nothing like that happens you keep Asik for another year and then use the same rule to decide if he's worth dumping the following year. If you need his cap space next year then you pay to dump him and the price then will be lower than what you would pay this year.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:47 pm to patendedgmf
Greg Monroe is not good. Could care less if he wants to come here or not.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:47 pm to Fun Bunch
Somehow trading our 1st pick for Monroe would be such a demps move
Posted on 5/9/16 at 4:30 pm to bugafor6
quote:I think you guys are ignoring that we've had to do this to get every player worth a damn to come here.... since the beginning, not just recently.
Somehow trading our 1st pick for Monroe would be such a demps move
We inherited Davis, Mashburn, Magloire, PJ etc....
Since then It's mostly been tanking, LUCK, and a lot of trading.
Not a single damn free agent signing worth a damn.
We were tied for the 2nd worst team in the league in 2004. Milwaukee hits the lottery, we end up getting LUCKY that Utah takes Deron Williams at 3, leaving us CP3 at 4. LUCKY.... hitting on David West was nice for a bit too...
But name the free agents that flocked here to play with CP3? Birdman and Morris Peterson?
We traded for Tyson Chandler and Peja....then traded for Emeka, Jarrett Jack, Carl Landry, Ariza, QPon....
Then CP3 leaves when he has made the most guaranteed money he can make here... and we are left with the EG mess.
We get lucky again, and this time land AD23.
We have since TRADED for Ryno, TRADED for Tyreke, Traded for Jrue, Traded for Asik....
Once we know that the pick is not in the top 3... we will TRADE it again.
Hell even look at the Saints, since the Super Bowl... Name the top free agents that have come here to play. Keenan Lewis is a guy that wanted to come play closer to home. This year might be the first year we've signed anyone with a name, and by most reports we overpaid for Coby Fleener.
Nobody is coming to this town unless they are from here, and moving back... or they are offered more money to be here, than anywhere else.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 4:33 pm to patendedgmf
That doesn't mean we have to do jackshit this year.
We can draft a guy at 6 and use other players to make moves, and tread water this year until next offseason...and ya know, build.
There are other moves to make besides trading a high lottery pick for Greg Monroe.
We can draft a guy at 6 and use other players to make moves, and tread water this year until next offseason...and ya know, build.
There are other moves to make besides trading a high lottery pick for Greg Monroe.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 4:39 pm to patendedgmf
I get your point but the reason people complain about trading the picks is because we are tired of giving away cheap, potentially good players for guys like Asik
Posted on 5/9/16 at 5:11 pm to TigerinATL
Kevin Durant is not coming. Harrison Barnes is not coming. Nicolas Batum is not coming. Portland has enough money to keep Crabbe, and unless Atlanta blows it up because Horford leaves, they can resign Bazemore easily especially if they move Jeff Teague.
We can offer old guys more money than they'd make elsewhere to come here.
I actually like Courtney Lee and Marvin Williams. Maybe we can resign Ryno.
I've often said if we keep the pick I wouldn't mind us taking Poeltl at 6 or 7 if Buddy and Kris Dunn are gone, to back up Asik for a very cheap front court.
You guys are pooping on ideas because you think Superman is gonna show up and save the day. I'm telling you, he's not coming.
In reality it's more like:
1. Asik/Poeltl AD23/Ryno QPon/Williams Lee/Reke Jrue/Frazier or
2. Asik/Ajinca AD23/Ryno QPon/Williams Lee/Reke/Hield Jrue/Frazier or
3. Asik/Ajinca AD23/Ryno QPon/Williams Lee/Reke Jrue/Dunn or
Give me Option 1, or GOD forbid a speculative:
4. Monroe/AD23/Tobias/EG/Jrue, where we trade Reke midseason for a future asset (late 1st?) and go into 2017-18 with $20MM in cap space and possibly 2 1sts?
Sorry for being creative? Let me rush back to getting excited over QPon and Asik! Because Buddy Hield is more important than trying to get better with AD23 here.
Once again we got LUCKY he probably didn't make the All-NBA team right? Wrong. Now that the extra money on that Rose Rule deal is not included... the only thing he got for staying here is a guaranteed 5th year. He'll be gone for sure now. Likely traded before the deadline in 2020-21. We are LUCKY that he signed the extension when he did, and not waited till the end of this year, or we'd be up shat creek right now.
We can offer old guys more money than they'd make elsewhere to come here.
I actually like Courtney Lee and Marvin Williams. Maybe we can resign Ryno.
I've often said if we keep the pick I wouldn't mind us taking Poeltl at 6 or 7 if Buddy and Kris Dunn are gone, to back up Asik for a very cheap front court.
You guys are pooping on ideas because you think Superman is gonna show up and save the day. I'm telling you, he's not coming.
In reality it's more like:
1. Asik/Poeltl AD23/Ryno QPon/Williams Lee/Reke Jrue/Frazier or
2. Asik/Ajinca AD23/Ryno QPon/Williams Lee/Reke/Hield Jrue/Frazier or
3. Asik/Ajinca AD23/Ryno QPon/Williams Lee/Reke Jrue/Dunn or
Give me Option 1, or GOD forbid a speculative:
4. Monroe/AD23/Tobias/EG/Jrue, where we trade Reke midseason for a future asset (late 1st?) and go into 2017-18 with $20MM in cap space and possibly 2 1sts?
Sorry for being creative? Let me rush back to getting excited over QPon and Asik! Because Buddy Hield is more important than trying to get better with AD23 here.
Once again we got LUCKY he probably didn't make the All-NBA team right? Wrong. Now that the extra money on that Rose Rule deal is not included... the only thing he got for staying here is a guaranteed 5th year. He'll be gone for sure now. Likely traded before the deadline in 2020-21. We are LUCKY that he signed the extension when he did, and not waited till the end of this year, or we'd be up shat creek right now.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 5:13 pm to patendedgmf
We don't need a fricking big man
Posted on 5/9/16 at 5:17 pm to patendedgmf
quote:
You guys are pooping on ideas because you think Superman is gonna show up and save the day. I'm telling you, he's not coming.
I think most people are hoping we don't waste the assets we currently have, both cap space and picks. This isn't a swing for the fences year, this is a lick your wounds and reevaluate year.
quote:
Sorry for being creative?
No need to apologize, I just think most people aren't looking to replace Ryno's bad defense with Monroe's bad defense. Might as well keep Ryno if that's the direction you're going.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 5:29 pm to patendedgmf
big name free agents are hardly ever changing teams via free agency in the present day NBA
this isnt a "guys choosing not to come to NOLA" thing
this isnt a "guys choosing not to come to NOLA" thing
Posted on 5/9/16 at 5:49 pm to GynoSandberg
i got a great idea.
lets keep our draft pick and develop a good player not named anthony davis.
lets keep our draft pick and develop a good player not named anthony davis.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 6:00 pm to htran90
quote:
i got a great idea.
lets keep our draft pick and develop a good player not named anthony davis.
bold strategy
Posted on 5/9/16 at 6:36 pm to patendedgmf
Man you just waisted a lot of time coming up with this shite. I really feel sorry for you.
Actually no I don't you fricking moron
Actually no I don't you fricking moron
Posted on 5/9/16 at 6:57 pm to FlappingPierre
I type fast.
In 2 1/2 years you have nearly twice the amount of posts as I've made in 10.
I waste a lot of time?
In 2 1/2 years you have nearly twice the amount of posts as I've made in 10.
I waste a lot of time?
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