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Posted on 5/22/17 at 1:44 pm to Crewz
No but signing Jrue will not put the Pels over the top either. The better alternative is to allow Holiday to walk.
There is very limited market for Holiday. According to BSS, Dallas real target is Rubio.
There is very limited market for Holiday. According to BSS, Dallas real target is Rubio.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 1:49 pm to ErikGordan
quote:That's who I would like. He has 2 years/$28.9 million as opposed to 4 years/$90 - $100 million or so for Jrue. He would allow us much more flexibility as long as the price to acquire him is not too steep.
Dallas real target is Rubio.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 5/22/17 at 1:55 pm to NOSHAU
Rubio costs assets and you still gotta pay him down the line if he plays well. If he plays poorly, then you've lost a first.
Again, there is no great option. Just a lot of 'meh' ones
That's why it all comes down to AD and Boogie. The other guys are just window dressing
Again, there is no great option. Just a lot of 'meh' ones
That's why it all comes down to AD and Boogie. The other guys are just window dressing
Posted on 5/22/17 at 2:04 pm to ErikGordan
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No but signing Jrue will not put the Pels over the top either. The better alternative is to allow Holiday to walk.
The better alternative is to sign him to a deal that will be dumpable in the future if you need cap space. Jrue Holiday making in the low $20s when superstars are still making high teens seems bad. In 2-3 years when more players will be on new cap contracts, a good starter making $22-$24 when most superstars are making in the low to mid $30s will seem about right.
You also have to keep in mind that one of the top future cap space options, John Wall, made an All NBA team and will be signing a big money extension with the Wizards.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 2:08 pm to Crewz
4/100 and 5/110 or something to that effect?
Posted on 5/22/17 at 2:10 pm to Crewz
quote:So you think Rubio costs a 1st? I guess I can see that, although I would hope we could get away with lottery protection. At least is buys you 2 years to see if he is worth an extension (i.e. allows more flexibility). I agree, there is no perfect scenario. Whatever we do, re-signing Cousins is a key factor.
Rubio costs assets and you still gotta pay him down the line if he plays well. If he plays poorly, then you've lost a first.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 2:27 pm to Epic Cajun
Why would the Pels pay Holiday $20M a year? Sounds like an Asik repeat of Demps bidding against himself.
There are not many teams with cap space to sign Holiday. The Knicks for instance have $78M in committed salaries and need to sign five players plus their first rounder. Additionally the draft is loaded with points.
Name a team that's an option at $20M for Holiday?
There are not many teams with cap space to sign Holiday. The Knicks for instance have $78M in committed salaries and need to sign five players plus their first rounder. Additionally the draft is loaded with points.
Name a team that's an option at $20M for Holiday?
Posted on 5/22/17 at 2:29 pm to ErikGordan
quote:Sounds like even if there are not teams willing to pay that much, the Pelicans are. Demps has a history of overpaying. Heck, there likely was no competition for Asik and look what he paid.
Why would the Pels pay Holiday $20M a year? Sounds like an Asik repeat of Demps bidding against himself. There are not many teams with cap space to sign Holiday. The Knicks for instance have $78M in committed salaries and need to sign five players plus their first rounder. Additionally the draft is loaded with points. Name a team that's an option at $20M for Holiday?
Posted on 5/22/17 at 2:35 pm to ErikGordan
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Name a team that's an option at $20M for Holiday?
Without making any moves other than letting Derrick Rose walk, the Knicks will start the offseason with about $17.5 million in cap space including their #8 pick's salary. They have several cuttable young guys on cheap contracts ($1.5-$5 million in cap space) and a guy like Kyle O'Quinn should be easy to dump and free up $4 million. If the Knicks know that the Pels don't want to pay Holiday 1 penny more than AD, it wouldn't be that hard to get to $23.8 million in cap space. Whether they want to burn that much cheap depth to target Holiday is another question, but it wouldn't be hard to do if they valued him more.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 2:47 pm to NOSHAU
If the Pels offer Holiday market value, he walks. He will play in a large market or Indy. Dell is on the hot seat. He gave up a ton for Holiday and the team is in cap hell.
There are not many viable alternatives. I believe Boston may be willing to deal Jackson for a future draft choice.
There are not many viable alternatives. I believe Boston may be willing to deal Jackson for a future draft choice.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 2:48 pm to NOSHAU
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Sounds like even if there are not teams willing to pay that much, the Pelicans are. Demps has a history of overpaying. Heck, there likely was no competition for Asik and look what he paid.
The current team often can offer the most so it has a higher standard to meet than other would be suitors. Would Holiday take $21 million from the Knicks, an amount they'd have to cut a few young players to reach, if all the Pels were offering was $23 million, $7 million below the amount they are capable of offering him? Low balling Holiday is the surest way to make him take his sweet time looking for other offers and keeping you from taking care of other needs in FA.
Did Demps bid against himself with Asik? I think he probably did, but the alternate path was never wait Asik out to sign him to 5/$40, it was give him a short term deal he couldn't refuse like 2/$30 with the 2nd year being a player option. That wouldn't have turned out to be a great contract either, but he'd be off the books this summer. There really isn't a comparable alternate path with Holiday other than deciding to walk away at a certain point.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 5/22/17 at 2:50 pm to TigerinATL
Most of that article is BS but I do agree with Fletcher on this point.
Holiday is not a top-tier player that makes us a championship contender. Unfortunately I think Demps will make a huge mistake and pay him superstar money. It's just the Demps M.O.
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What can't happen is a repeat of the Pelicans summer of 2016. New Orleans couldn't get meetings with top-tier players available when free agency started, resulting in overpays for second and third-tier guys once the dust settled.
Holiday is not a top-tier player that makes us a championship contender. Unfortunately I think Demps will make a huge mistake and pay him superstar money. It's just the Demps M.O.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 2:56 pm to Epic Cajun
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4/100 and 5/110 or something to that effect?
I hope those aren't the offers.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 3:02 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:I would bet that is the lower end of the potential offers. At a first year salary of $22.000,000, a 4 year deal would be close to $100 million and a 5 year deal could exceed $120,000,000. Scary.
I hope those aren't the offers.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 3:07 pm to NOSHAU
Those offers should be the highest end of the negotiations, not the starting offers.
I like Jrue, but he's not worth $25M a year, and in no world should we sign him for 5 years.
I like Jrue, but he's not worth $25M a year, and in no world should we sign him for 5 years.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 3:22 pm to BigDawg0420
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What can't happen is a repeat of the Pelicans summer of 2016. New Orleans couldn't get meetings with top-tier players available when free agency started, resulting in overpays for second and third-tier guys once the dust settled.
we wont have a shot at top tier players anyway, so it doesnt really matter
Posted on 5/22/17 at 3:29 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Those offers should be the highest end of the negotiations, not the starting offers.
I'm not sure they are negotiations though. According to MM's sources, the team is very concerned about how Jrue making more than AD would look. AD is scheduled to make $23,775,506 next season, so I think that is the ceiling where they let him walk, especially now that they have Cousins.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 3:42 pm to TigerinATL
quote:I seem to recall some speculation that the offer could start at $22,000,000. So, if $23,750,000 is the celing, we are looking at something between 4 years/ $98 million and 4 years/$106 million
I'm not sure they are negotiations though. According to MM's sources, the team is very concerned about how Jrue making more than AD would look. AD is scheduled to make $23,775,506 next season, so I think that is the ceiling where they let him walk, especially now that they have Cousins.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 3:53 pm to NOSHAU
Yeah, and I'm guessing that the 5 year contract starts lower in exchange for more total guaranteed money and possibly a player option in the 5th year. Something like 4/$105 starting at $23.5 vs 5/$130 starting at $22.
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