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re: Outside the top 4 in the draft who are the top 5 guys you want for this team?
Posted on 3/4/16 at 11:43 am to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 3/4/16 at 11:43 am to TeddyPadillac
Reggie was also 6'7
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Posted on 3/4/16 at 11:45 am to TotesMcGotes
No one said Steph wasn't quick or he wouldn't get his shot off.
Posted on 3/4/16 at 11:56 am to 504ByrdGang
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Reggie was also 6'7
He was also the lightest player on the floor more often than not, and not athletic at all.
And so was Kevin Martin with his chest push shot, but he managed to shoot 38% from 3 and average over 20ppg for 7 seasons.
Posted on 3/4/16 at 11:57 am to 504ByrdGang
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MM was one of the biggest Heild supporters. To many people whatch his game and see him scoring but not how it will translate when the defenders are bigger, stronger, and faster than him.
I would be leary of using MM analysis as gospel. He has a pretty spotty history of projecting talent. I respect him for many things but draft analysis is not one of them. Just reading some of his snippets he has some things just objectively wrong about Hield. And when inputs are flawed outputs are going to be as well.
Posted on 3/4/16 at 12:04 pm to 504ByrdGang
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No one said Steph wasn't quick or he wouldn't get his shot off.
I don't think anyone said he was quick. Most said he was smart with change of direction and speed, but lacked a good first step and athleticism.
Most thought he'd be a spot up shooter in the NBA, and a good one at that but would have trouble getting his shot off against bigger, stronger defenders in 1 on 1 situations. He's basically unguardable 1 on 1 right now.
This post was edited on 3/4/16 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 3/4/16 at 12:12 pm to TeddyPadillac
That was mainly due to his lack of handles. He was knocked for not being explosive but Steph is an anomaly. He crashed way past his ceiling.
Posted on 3/4/16 at 12:18 pm to 504ByrdGang
Murray and it's not even close. Dude will be one of the best players to come out of this draft. He can flat out play.
Posted on 3/4/16 at 12:31 pm to 504ByrdGang
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That was mainly due to his lack of handles. He was knocked for not being explosive but Steph is an anomaly. He crashed way past his ceiling.
I agree.
The biggest knock on Hield is his size, according to draftexpress. I don't get how a 6'4" SG with a 6'9" wingspan is that undersized. That's no different than James Harden, who's got less than an inch on him, and was never considered undersized. Same with Dwyane Wade. All three of the guys have about the same standing reach, and are all within an inch of Klay Thompson's standing reach.
Victor Oladipo has pretty much the exact same height and wingspan as Hield yet in Oladipo's draft summary he's said to have "solid size and length for an NBA shooting guard", and Hield is "more of an undersized 2 in NBA"
Posted on 3/4/16 at 12:32 pm to TotesMcGotes
I would do just about anything to get my hands on Dunn or Murray, specifically Murray.
Posted on 3/4/16 at 12:38 pm to TeddyPadillac
He has a knock on heigh but he isn't nearly a explosive or strong as Wade or Harden and that's his biggest issue. It one thing to be undersize but being explosize makes up more than enough for that. As for Klay being 6'7 SG that shoots gives you a advantage.
Posted on 3/4/16 at 12:43 pm to TeddyPadillac
I think once you get into the grey area in between objectively bad athleticism and measurables and objectively great athleticism and measurables, things often seem to fall apart in analysis.
Seems to be the case with Hield. I mentioned it elsewhere but go look at scouting reports on guys like Wesley Matthews. You could literally copy and paste the knocks on Matthews when it came to defensive potential and yet Matthews became one of the best in the league for his position.
As long as a player has enough measurables and athleticism to land somewhere above the minimum threshold - and by all accounts Hield has that - success as a defender largely comes down to IQ, effort, fundamentals and focus. And none of those things people would knock Hield for at his point in development.
Seems to be the case with Hield. I mentioned it elsewhere but go look at scouting reports on guys like Wesley Matthews. You could literally copy and paste the knocks on Matthews when it came to defensive potential and yet Matthews became one of the best in the league for his position.
As long as a player has enough measurables and athleticism to land somewhere above the minimum threshold - and by all accounts Hield has that - success as a defender largely comes down to IQ, effort, fundamentals and focus. And none of those things people would knock Hield for at his point in development.
This post was edited on 3/4/16 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 3/4/16 at 12:47 pm to NOLA Bronco
MY BOY! BIG JP!! JAKOB POELTL!!
Posted on 3/4/16 at 1:08 pm to NOLA Bronco
The problem with the comparisons people make for him is that its guys who beat the odds. For every 1 Mathews their are 1000s more who failed.
Posted on 3/4/16 at 1:41 pm to TeddyPadillac
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No one said Steph wasn't quick or he wouldn't get his shot off.
the big knock on Steph was that he didnt really have a position. he was too small to play SG and most said he didnt have the vision to play PG.
I like Heild and Murray. Murray is a more versatile scorer at this point but gut feeling says not to bet against Heild. seems to have the IT factor.
Posted on 3/4/16 at 1:45 pm to whoknows1390
They said that about Rivers, he had the IT factor, was competitive, didn't shy away from big moments.
Posted on 3/4/16 at 1:51 pm to 504ByrdGang
true 
Rivers was also a 18 year old kid and had nowhere near the college career that Buddy had.
Like I said though, I think Murray is the more talented player and definitely has the higher ceiling.
Rivers was also a 18 year old kid and had nowhere near the college career that Buddy had. Like I said though, I think Murray is the more talented player and definitely has the higher ceiling.
Posted on 3/4/16 at 1:53 pm to whoknows1390
Totally agree him or Dunk I would be ecstatic
Posted on 3/4/16 at 1:53 pm to 504ByrdGang
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The problem with the comparisons people make for him is that its guys who beat the odds. For every 1 Mathews their are 1000s more who failed
Now why does this logic not apply to Luwawu?? Even more so.
Hield has in fact proven himself. He is a good defender in college above the minimum threshold needed to succeed as a defender in the NBA with pretty much every intangible you want a player to have on the next level. You are right, that is no guarantee of success, many have failed.
Where things start to fall apart is that you then go on to pump up Luwawu, a guy with many more question marks, coming from a place where success has historically been a much worse gauge of transition success in the NBA. Speaking as if the latter is much more likely to succeed and excel then the former.
Posted on 3/4/16 at 1:57 pm to 504ByrdGang
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They said that about Rivers, he had the IT factor, was competitive, didn't shy away from big moments.
"They" was actually you and MM back in the day. No offense.
This post was edited on 3/4/16 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 3/4/16 at 2:09 pm to 504ByrdGang
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They said that about Rivers, he had the IT factor, was competitive, didn't shy away from big moments.
Everyone on this board hated him and a lot of people said he needed to stay back in college.
What kind of "high potential" SHOOTING guard shoots 65.8% from the charity stripe?
He didn't shy away from 1 big moment and that is one of the reasons why he was drafted where he was, the other being monty's friend's son.
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