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Now that we've gotten healthy (minus QP) if Gentry doesn't turn it around...
Posted on 12/8/15 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 12/8/15 at 2:41 pm
Let me be clear that I still think we can turn it around considering how we finished last season. But...would he be one and done?
If so, I am heavily in favor of Loomis and Demps making a Brad Stevens type selection.
Desperate times call for high risk, high reward decisions.
AD is the Pels' future, and he wants to win now.
If so, I am heavily in favor of Loomis and Demps making a Brad Stevens type selection.
Desperate times call for high risk, high reward decisions.
AD is the Pels' future, and he wants to win now.
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 2:42 pm to jptiger2009
I think it's unfair to judge Gentry until Qpon is fully healthy.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 2:45 pm to jptiger2009
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f so, I am heavily in favor of Loomis and Demps making a Brad Stevens type selection.
Are they out there? I know of one and that's Coach Bickerstaff over in Houston. Lots of Pels fans wanted the "next Stevens", Coach Hoiberg. Well he hasn't been impressive either.
This post was edited on 12/8/15 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 12/8/15 at 2:48 pm to PortCityTiger24
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I think it's unfair to judge Gentry until Qpon is fully healthy.
Qpon has value to this team but there's no reason he should be the player that makes or breaks this team. That doesn't mean he won't help this team when he comes back. But I think it's perfectly fair to judge Gentry with our whole team healthy (minus Qpon, a role player).
This post was edited on 12/8/15 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 12/8/15 at 2:57 pm to PortCityTiger24
Posted on 12/8/15 at 3:17 pm to jptiger2009
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If so, I am heavily in favor of Loomis and Demps
Demps needs to be fired immediately. He created this abomination.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 3:26 pm to Boomshockalocka
Hoiberg hasn't been impressive? I'm amazed he's got a higher winning percentage thus far with that atrocity called rose
Posted on 12/8/15 at 3:29 pm to Hazelnut
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I think it's perfectly fair to judge Gentry with our whole team healthy (minus Qpon, a role player).
I think Gentry has highlighted just how bad this roster is. Is that good coaching? No. But that doesn't mean he wouldn't be a good coach if we had a more worthy roster. And I say that as someone that's still very pro JVG. Regardless of who the coach is, we need to change some of the ball stopping, low IQ guys into higher IQ, team players. The higher IQ will probably help on defense too. If you can upgrade Uncle Al, go for it, but fixing the roster is the higher priority.
This post was edited on 12/8/15 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 12/8/15 at 3:32 pm to htran90
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Hoiberg hasn't been impressive? I'm amazed he's got a higher winning percentage thus far with that atrocity called rose
The national guys on twitter have been killing and I mean KILLING him.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 4:02 pm to TigerinATL
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I think Gentry has highlighted just how bad this roster is. Is that good coaching? No. But that doesn't mean he wouldn't be a good coach if we had a more worthy roster. And I say that as someone that's still very pro JVG. Regardless of who the coach is, we need to change some of the ball stopping, low IQ guys into higher IQ, team players. The higher IQ will probably help on defense too. If you can upgrade Uncle Al, go for it, but fixing the roster is the higher priority.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 4:10 pm to Jester
The funny thing is that if we'd have kept Monty we might not have ever known how bad this roster Demps assembled could be. We'd have fooled ourselves into thinking we were better than we were and stayed the course. Now I'm ready to start the forest fire.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 6:55 am to TigerinATL
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The funny thing is that if we'd have kept Monty we might not have ever known how bad this roster Demps assembled could be. We'd have fooled ourselves into thinking we were better than we were and stayed the course. Now I'm ready to start the forest fire.
It's kind of disturbing to me to consider the possibilities had we kept Monty. I have this nightmare that, in spite of injuries, we could be at .500 and trending upward. Improving on last year. That we've made some horrible mistake.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 9:02 am to VOR
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It's kind of disturbing to me to consider the possibilities had we kept Monty. I have this nightmare that, in spite of injuries, we could be at .500 and trending upward. Improving on last year. That we've made some horrible mistake.
I couldn't scream any louder last year that Demps was the problem, but people had made their minds up that Monty was the reason for every loss and hadn't screwed up all the wins. Demps' rosters have always had major flaws. Monty had a way of getting the best out of players, though.
Given that Demps has found a lot of unknown guys to contribute (Vasquez, Goose, Roberts, Ish, Smiht), I think it's clear that he has an eye for talent. Unfortunately, building a roster goes way beyond that. He doesn't seem to understand salary caps, opportunity cost, sunk cost, or roster balance. For someone that was supposedly enamored by Gentry's charts, it's odd that he seems to hate Z charts.
Demps has a position in an NBA front office, but he's just not cut out to be a successful GM.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 9:12 am to Jester
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Demps has a position in an NBA front office, but he's just not cut out to be a successful GM.
could that have anything to do with not having the reign in the Pels' hierarchy?
Posted on 12/9/15 at 9:30 am to jptiger2009
MM posted somewhere that Demps' big problem is being an optimist. Making plans around the best case scenario for the guys he targeted.
To me the unifying theme to all of Demps' major moves has been trading uncertainty for certainty. A proven Holiday is better than 2 uncertain lottery picks. Getting Tyreke now is better than waiting until you can move Gordon and hope there is an equally talented guard available. I wasn't big on Biyombo over Asik, but I also was expecting Asik to get a more team friendly deal than he got. Another example where Demps chose the certainty and high price of Asik over the uncertainty of a similarly skilled but less proven and much cheaper Biyombo.
To me the unifying theme to all of Demps' major moves has been trading uncertainty for certainty. A proven Holiday is better than 2 uncertain lottery picks. Getting Tyreke now is better than waiting until you can move Gordon and hope there is an equally talented guard available. I wasn't big on Biyombo over Asik, but I also was expecting Asik to get a more team friendly deal than he got. Another example where Demps chose the certainty and high price of Asik over the uncertainty of a similarly skilled but less proven and much cheaper Biyombo.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 9:44 am to jptiger2009
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could that have anything to do with not having the reign in the Pels' hierarchy?
Unlikely. If he had his way, we would have gotten the CP3 to the Lakers trade.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 9:53 am to Jester
I'm ready to burn this bitch to the ground.
Everyone but AD for sale, bring in a sharp basketball mind to do this (re: not Demps).
Everyone but AD for sale, bring in a sharp basketball mind to do this (re: not Demps).
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