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New CBA Will Give the Pels a Huge Advantage in Re-signing AD

Posted on 12/15/16 at 6:48 am
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 12/15/16 at 6:48 am
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The NBA and NBA Players Association came to a tentative agreement last night on a new CBA, practically ensuring labor peace for the next six years. In it, small market teams were given a new tool to keep their most valuable superstars. As Zach Lowe reported NBA teams can select a designated veteran for a new kind of exception.

...This would put Davis up for a possible extension in the summer of 2019. Using some rough (very rough) estimates of a $110 million cap and 7.5% raises New Orleans could hypothetically offer a six year extension (beginning in the 2019-20 season) worth nearly $275 million.

Compare that to what Davis could seek on the free agent market in 2020. First, he’s less over $11 million at the outset because the Pelicans could give him a substantial raise for the 2019-20 season rather than play out the remainder of his contract. Second, the Pelicans begin at 35% instead of 30% on the market and 7.5% raises instead of 4.5%. Third, they offer an additional year guaranteeing the 2024-25 season. The total difference in earnings from 2019-2024, ignoring the extra year, is nearly $50 million.

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This post was edited on 12/15/16 at 6:49 am
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115439 posts
Posted on 12/15/16 at 6:51 am to
Jesus. We might actually get to keep him.

I think if we still suck balls though money won't matter.
Posted by quail man
New York, NY
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 12/15/16 at 7:12 am to
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Current Front Office, Head Coach, Training Staff Will Give the Pels a Huge Disadvantage in Re-signing AD

Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61438 posts
Posted on 12/15/16 at 8:05 am to
This seems like it will reduce star player movement meaning drafting and developing talent will be pretty important. They seriously need to tank this year.
Posted by J_Hingle
LA
Member since Jun 2013
5095 posts
Posted on 12/15/16 at 9:20 am to
I don't know. AD seems like the type if he wants to win and the pelicans are still a shite show he will leave even with the pay cut. I mean he will still make 100's of millions so... lol
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61438 posts
Posted on 12/15/16 at 9:37 am to
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he will still make 100's of millions


Why is anyone a billionaire? Why don't they retire after the first hundred million? Everything is relative and humans always want more, sometimes it's not even about the actual money, it's about being the guy that got paid more than anyone else. Outside of ring chasing veterans who has walked away from the money? Nobody. LeBron and the Big 3 got what, $15 instead of $17? That's not much of a sacrifice for winning, and they also took a paycut to become instant favorites. AD to Philly certainly doesn't make him an instant favorite, I'm not sure AD to Boston gets him favorite to win it all status either.

The system used to be set up so the players could have their cake and eat it too, they could force a trade to a better situation and still get their money. Now they have to choose between money and winning, and it's not an easy choice. The $50 million more the Pels get doesn't include the last year in which AD would be making $52 million. So in a sport where you can become worthless in an tragic instant, AD can get over $100 million more in guaranteed money from the Pels than anybody else can offer him. How do you walk away from that?
This post was edited on 12/15/16 at 9:38 am
Posted by c on z
Zamunda
Member since Mar 2009
127371 posts
Posted on 12/15/16 at 9:53 am to
Gotta hope AD has a new coach by then.
Posted by DupontsCircle
Dupont Circle
Member since Jun 2016
5823 posts
Posted on 12/15/16 at 9:58 am to
Depends if he wants to be rich or be a legend. New Orleans won't make the playoffs for at least the next 5 years. That roster is horrid.
Posted by ShoeBang
Member since May 2012
19347 posts
Posted on 12/15/16 at 10:03 am to
If the team doesn't do a better job of developing(coaching plz), drafting (GMing plz), keeping and maintaining (medical staff plz) their players, I really don't mind seeing him go to a place where he can flourish.

It is getting to the point where being a fan of this team is personally embarrassing. While I love AD and want him to stay, I will 100% understand when it happens if nothing changes to make the organization better.
Posted by kysportsman
Kentucky
Member since Mar 2012
1323 posts
Posted on 12/15/16 at 10:48 am to
Pretty easy choice for AD. Teams like the Lakers let them know just how much they can make in endorsements being in LA. Same with NY without the nice weather.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9932 posts
Posted on 12/15/16 at 10:53 am to
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This seems like it will reduce star player movement meaning drafting and developing talent will be pretty important. They seriously need to tank this year.



Steve Kyler speculated this provision is why Sac and Indy haven't taken any serious calls for trades of Boogie/George. Teams must have known this provision was coming and likely to keep their stars or get massive value in trade.

Highly unlikely stars will hit free agency (and leave 10's of millions on the table). Value for trades also goes through the roof since you can extend regardless of cap room. This makes expiring guys more valuable.

As currently structured our organization's biggest flaw (inability to draft and develop) is going to be the most important aspect of team building going forward.
This post was edited on 12/15/16 at 10:54 am
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61438 posts
Posted on 12/15/16 at 11:09 am to
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As currently structured our organization's biggest flaw (inability to draft and develop) is going to be the most important aspect of team building going forward.


I agree completely. Even Ferry doesn't really have a good track record with the draft. To be fair he didn't have a ton of picks to work with in Cleveland, they seemed to draft about as often as the Demps Hornicans, but the only hits he had in Cleveland were JJ Hickson in the late 1st and Danny Green in the 2nd. Dennis Schroeder is the main pick that stands out during his time in Atlanta.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9932 posts
Posted on 12/15/16 at 11:34 am to
I think it becomes necessary for our next GM to have a heavy scouting background as opposed to a player/coach background like Demps.

I think this decreases the value of hiring a Calipari because recruiting stars is going to become much less important than developing them. This should increase the value of GM prospects like Schlenk who are heavy into scouting and roster construction.
This post was edited on 12/15/16 at 11:36 am
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61438 posts
Posted on 12/15/16 at 12:24 pm to
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Justin Verrier ?@JustinVerrier 23m23 minutes ago

Anthony Davis, the Pelicans' NBPA player rep, on the CBA agreement: "It's a good time to be in the league."

Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
30083 posts
Posted on 12/15/16 at 12:40 pm to
seems like something AD and star players on small market teams would push for.

gotta give him something worthwhile to STAY with a team that he's trying to make better. that much money, and a lot of it up front is insane.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 12/15/16 at 1:47 pm to
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Value for trades also goes through the roof since you can extend regardless of cap room


where are you seeing this? are you saying designated veteran extensions won't apply to cap room/tax lines?

and i'm not too sure trade value changes much other than possibly pushing up a star trade timeline.

from what i have read, you cannot do the designated veteran extension within a year of being traded. so even if Davis (or Cousins or George) refuse the extension, you can't trade them w/ that option on a new team, aka the Melo Rule, unless you do it 2 years before FA
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 12/15/16 at 1:58 pm to
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Outside of ring chasing veterans who has walked away from the money? Nobody. LeBron and the Big 3 got what, $15 instead of $17? That's not much of a sacrifice for winning, and they also took a paycut to become instant favorites.


you're reading LeBron and KD wrong here, i think.

they flipped the paradigm and used it as a display of power/agency, for whatever reason (title, change of scenery, dissatisfaction w/ organization, etc). they can go 1+1 or take a lesser max because they know they will always be able to get a max from whomever they want, whenever they want

they are dictating where they play because they can. they are putting pressure on ownership/management because they can. teams will always be bending over backwards to keep them because they are so damn good
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9932 posts
Posted on 12/15/16 at 2:26 pm to
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where are you seeing this? are you saying designated veteran extensions won't apply to cap room/tax lines?


Per Zach Lowe:
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Key note re new Designated Player extension: salary in Year 1 of ext can be any amt up to 35% of cap (i.e. max) even if team has no cap room


Lowe has not clarified what he meant by this, but details should come soon. May be in terms of luxury tax.
This post was edited on 12/15/16 at 2:31 pm
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61438 posts
Posted on 12/15/16 at 2:33 pm to
It's not quite as big of an incentive as it sounds at first because it only gets you the 35% about 3 years early. AD could still opt out with the Pels, sign a 2 year deal with someone else, then when that contract was finished get a new deal for the 35% of the cap, and it'd "only" cost him $30 million vs. $50 million. So it's not a sure thing...but when someone offers you $275 million today, or you can wait 2 years to get offered $100 million less...How do you walk away from that?

Everybody thought 2 years ago there would be a lot of short term deals so guys could opt out and cash in on the cap escalation, but when the money was actually right there in front of them they all took the security of long term deals for less than maximum earnings and team choice over that time span.
This post was edited on 12/15/16 at 2:35 pm
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61438 posts
Posted on 12/15/16 at 2:34 pm to
That doesn't sound any different that Bird Rights.
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