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Monty seems pretty serious about getting AD the ball more
Posted on 11/28/14 at 7:23 am
Posted on 11/28/14 at 7:23 am
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As promised, Pelicans coach Monty Williams gathered his players for a meeting on Wednesday.
Williams issued objectives that he wants carried out for the remainder of the season. Perhaps, it didn't come as a surprise that getting the ball more to star forward Anthony Davis is at the top of the list.
...'Anthony (Davis) cannot be in a game and not touch the ball,''Williams said after his meeting with players. ''We have to have an effort to get him at least 20 shots every night. ''And that’s on me too. As much as I draw up plays for him, run the offense through him, the guys on the floor has to know it. When they don’t do it, I’ve got to make sure they get him the ball. Because he’s not a selfish player, he’s going to make the right plays. And our guys know that.''
...''Usually our losses are based on low assists games,'' Williams said. ''We lose chances to win games because we don’t pass the ball the way we should. We start playing one-on-one basketball and that was something we talked about today.
''They just have these blips on the screen where we just kind of go on our own way. And that’s part of coaching and that’s what we did today, we talked about a lot of that stuff.''
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Posted on 11/28/14 at 8:05 am to TigerinATL
He's talked about it publicly for the last couple of weeks. It'll be interesting to see what happens on the court.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 9:06 am to TigerinATL
If you look at the Tracking data on NBA.com, the Pelicans rank very low in AST opportunities, but are among the best in converting AST opportunities.
May or may not be related to the problem Williams is talking about, but they have been among the bottom of the league in passes per game since we've had publicly available tracking numbers. That's not necessarily a bad thing either. Just something to keep in mind
May or may not be related to the problem Williams is talking about, but they have been among the bottom of the league in passes per game since we've had publicly available tracking numbers. That's not necessarily a bad thing either. Just something to keep in mind
Posted on 11/28/14 at 9:08 am to TigerinATL
Interesting to see if they follow through with the plan.
I looked through his games, just to see if there may be some sort of correlation between results and games that he's attempted 20+ field goals and thus far I'm not really seeing a correlation. He's attempted over 20 shots in 5 different games and they are 2-3 in those games.
I'm not saying that the plan is wrong or flawed by any means, just stating what I found from looking at game logs. I agree that he definitely needs the ball more.
I looked through his games, just to see if there may be some sort of correlation between results and games that he's attempted 20+ field goals and thus far I'm not really seeing a correlation. He's attempted over 20 shots in 5 different games and they are 2-3 in those games.
I'm not saying that the plan is wrong or flawed by any means, just stating what I found from looking at game logs. I agree that he definitely needs the ball more.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 9:28 am to TigerinATL
If they can get AD going early, then that should open it up for everyone because the opposing team would have to bring a second guy which will obviously free up someone. I'm glad that monty is really pressing this to his team.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 10:03 am to jkerr4LSU
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If they can get AD going early
I can't recall every game, but in a good number of them AD has taken a good number of shots in the 1st Q.
In fact he averages 5.4 shots in the 1st Q (in 11 minutes)
3.7 in the 2nd Q (in 7 minutes)
5.5 in 3rd Q in 11 minutes
3.3 in 9 minutes in the 4th.
So the 1st 3 quarters, he'd doing about a shot every other minute. In the 4th Q, he's at a shot every 3 minutes.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 10:10 am to quail man
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So the 1st 3 quarters, he'd doing about a shot every other minute. In the 4th Q, he's at a shot every 3 minutes.
Could be somewhat misleading. Often times the last 2 minutes the objective is something other than maximizing points per possession. But probably also something to it.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 10:36 am to TigerinATL
For the most part, I think his shot totals have been "ok." We don't want them force-feeding him and AD jacking shots up just because its in his hands.
I just get frustrated sometimes about when we tend to forget about AD.
We can hit these dry spells in games and its almost always associated with a lack of AD. It can be even more frustrating sometimes because he's almost always involved in whatever set we're running, usually setting a pick, but for whatever reason they stop getting him the ball. He usually ends up getting hot again. No from any new sets, but from the same simple pick and roll/pop stuff they had been ignoring him on before.
I just get frustrated sometimes about when we tend to forget about AD.
We can hit these dry spells in games and its almost always associated with a lack of AD. It can be even more frustrating sometimes because he's almost always involved in whatever set we're running, usually setting a pick, but for whatever reason they stop getting him the ball. He usually ends up getting hot again. No from any new sets, but from the same simple pick and roll/pop stuff they had been ignoring him on before.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 2:37 pm to TigerinATL
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''Usually our losses are based on low assists games,'' Williams said. ''We lose chances to win games because we don’t pass the ball the way we should. We start playing one-on-one basketball
Lookin at you, Tyreke.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 2:47 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
Its not even about jacking up shots randomly.
Its about no ball movement and one guy playing hero ball for 2-3 possessions which yields nothing, while no one even TOUCHES it. Oh outside of the guy inbounding it.
Its about no ball movement and one guy playing hero ball for 2-3 possessions which yields nothing, while no one even TOUCHES it. Oh outside of the guy inbounding it.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 6:15 pm to TigerinATL
You can tell the message was delivered with some intensity.
Rivers pregame interview was asked about low assist total in the Sacramento game, and he immediately went to quoting "we need to get the ball in AD's hands"..
We don't need him jacking up every shot, but we need the offense to go through him more times than not... Let the big man make some decisions
Rivers pregame interview was asked about low assist total in the Sacramento game, and he immediately went to quoting "we need to get the ball in AD's hands"..
We don't need him jacking up every shot, but we need the offense to go through him more times than not... Let the big man make some decisions
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Posted on 11/28/14 at 8:14 pm to TigerinATL
Here's Nylon Calculus on expected shot values for both offense and defense and the actual return so far.
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Even with passing issue, the team is 2nd in the league in expected eFG% according to this data. That means they take good shots. The somewhat bad news is they are shooting 2% worse than expected. But still, promising process regardless of the complaints we may have. Also worth noting Nylon Calculus rates them 4th in ORating on the season.
This ties in with Jake Madison's good read from BSS today on the offense.
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Even with passing issue, the team is 2nd in the league in expected eFG% according to this data. That means they take good shots. The somewhat bad news is they are shooting 2% worse than expected. But still, promising process regardless of the complaints we may have. Also worth noting Nylon Calculus rates them 4th in ORating on the season.
This ties in with Jake Madison's good read from BSS today on the offense.
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Posted on 11/29/14 at 7:27 am to corndeaux
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The somewhat bad news is they are shooting 2% worse than expected.
The problem last night was all those wide open shots that they missed. Ryno being cold instead of hot is costing us games. Make him 4-8 from 3 rather than 2-8, and if Rivers makes just 2 of his 0-8, it's a totally different ball game and we probably aren't having a mini meltdown this morning. They are getting good enough looks to win several of the games they've lost, they just are missing so many open shots.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 7:32 am to TigerinATL
Yeah. Insert make or miss league cliche.
It's still early. And the offense, for all the complaining we all do, is good enough. The defense is still poor and that is losing games.
It's still early. And the offense, for all the complaining we all do, is good enough. The defense is still poor and that is losing games.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 8:16 am to corndeaux
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The defense is still poor and that is losing games.
Right. We're missing Gordon there as crazy as that sounds, and I think I've finally come around on trading Ryno. Unless he's hot and scoring 20+, he's probably a net negative. He did score 20 last night, but like I said, we really needed him to make 2 more of his 3s to put us where we needed to be. He wasn't bad last night, just not as good as we needed him to be.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 10:08 am to TigerinATL
He's not consistent enough as a 3pt shooter.
In the last 5 games, he's hit >40% once (3/7 vs. Sac-town).
the other 4:
2/8 (25%) vs. Atlanta
0/6 (0%) vs. Utah
0/5 (0%) vs. Denver
4/12 (33.3%) vs. Sac-town
Go back 5 more games, and its >40% 4 times
4/8 (50%) vs. Minny
3/7 (43%) vs. LAL
8/12 (67%) vs. Cleveland
3/7 (43%) vs. SAS
<40% being 2/6 vs Portland
In the last 5 games, he's hit >40% once (3/7 vs. Sac-town).
the other 4:
2/8 (25%) vs. Atlanta
0/6 (0%) vs. Utah
0/5 (0%) vs. Denver
4/12 (33.3%) vs. Sac-town
Go back 5 more games, and its >40% 4 times
4/8 (50%) vs. Minny
3/7 (43%) vs. LAL
8/12 (67%) vs. Cleveland
3/7 (43%) vs. SAS
<40% being 2/6 vs Portland
Posted on 11/29/14 at 10:24 pm to TigerinATL
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I think I've finally come around on trading Ryno
He is a likely trade candidate simply because he is one of the few Pelicans that has value. He's been a bit off, but I wonder how much his back is bothering him.
And I'll say that i think he's being deployed poorly on offense and defense this year.
Posted on 11/29/14 at 10:39 pm to corndeaux
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And I'll say that i think he's being deployed poorly on offense and defense this year.
His game is pretty one dimensional. I was really hoping he would develop a bit more. He needs to be more physical (dirty would be even better) and try to get to the glass more. He is a great FT shooter and we don't reap the benefits of that. I really do like the 3 man rotation of Davis/Asik/Anderson and it could work out. But right now, that is too much on Davis. Asik and Anderson need to get mean and tougher. Gortat dominated tonight. That just can't happen..
Posted on 11/30/14 at 9:32 am to brmark70816
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His game is pretty one dimensional
He's always been that way. His PER 36 from his rookie year up to this year are basically the same- ~17 and 7 with similar FG%. He is who he is.
I don't understand playing him without any other offensive threats; that defeats his greatest strength which is bending a defense. And I don't understand having him hard hedge on picks and also guard centers. He is incapable of doing either effectively.
One thing I've been thinking about with this thread is that Davis, at this point in his career, is more similar to Anderson than we think. You can't really run an offense through either Anderson or Davis. But both guys are finishers, not creators. That doesn't mean they can't be effective or integral parts to a successful offense, because they clearly are. Just that they bring a ton of value to an offense from their "gravity" off ball.
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