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Posted on 6/1/15 at 11:37 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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I think you'd create a bigger hole by jettisoning Asik than you'd fill in the process.
I think in this scenario Slow was envisioning going Small Ball with AD and Henson being the 5s. Another path might be Asik + Tyreke for Pachulia + Middleton. Tyreke isn't a perfect fit in Milwaukee, but they are one of the few teams I keep coming back to when looking for teams that would want him. However, that's a dreamworld trade too because it assumes several ifs.
1) A team with cap space is threatening to take Middleton for nothing at a price they won't match forcing Milwaukee to look for trades.
2) Middleton is fine taking that money from us rather than the team that gave him the red carpet treatment at 12:01 AM on July 1st.
3) We are fine paying Middleton an amount Milwaukee is uncomfortable matching.
4) They want Tyreke
5) Asik won't find a better deal on the open market than signing with us so takes a S&T to another team to get paid.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 11:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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i mean i posted a "dream world" scenario but this is just bonkers
I agree that I don't think its possible. The only reason why I bring it up is this:
LINK
quote:
"We’re told Dragic very much likes Spoelstra and Riley and nothing to this point has changed regarding the Heat’s status as front-runners to keep him. The Lakers, Knicks, New Orleans, Milwaukee, Sacramento are all expected to have interest."
I don't see any way possible we could get him but it was mentioned so I did.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:03 pm to Fun Bunch
option 1: trade anderson for a late teens/early 20's pick
take take justin anderson, SF Virginia
option 2: sign AFA, who can also play small-ball PF
option 3: roll with what we got
take take justin anderson, SF Virginia
option 2: sign AFA, who can also play small-ball PF
option 3: roll with what we got
Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:06 pm to cgrand
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option 2: sign AFA, who can also play small-ball PF
I wonder what Gentry could do with Aminu. One area where I thought he was really under utilized was cutting to the basket. You don't want him dribbling, but if you can hit him cutting say when AD is in the high post, you either get an easy basket or get AD a more open shot. Also, if someone is chasing Aminu that means they aren't sagging off of him and it probably also means you can't put your PF on Aminu and your SF on Ryno.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:11 pm to Fun Bunch
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The ball typically stops with Ryno
Most of yall know I want Anderson off this team 2 years ago, however, If Gentry keeps him he wont do the same crap Monty did.
IF Anderson stays, Gentry will not give him the same Iso plays and rely on his mid range fade away
But my list of possible 3's are in order:
Draymond
Carrol
Crowder
Aminu
This post was edited on 6/1/15 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:15 pm to Smedium27
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IF Anderson stays, Gentry will not give him the same Iso plays and rely on his mid range fade away
I wasn't saying it as a negative as much as an observation. Both are designated shooters/and when they're on you want them to shoot rather than pass.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:25 pm to TigerinATL
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I wasn't saying it as a negative as much as an observation. Both are designated shooters/and when they're on you want them to shoot rather than pass.
I understood what you meant, however, if Gentry really was the offensive play caller for the Warriors he will not want any player that needs to be passed the ball to, in able to get his shot
Anderson would be alot better if he was able to handle the ball and create his own shot via his dribble, and not post up
I think Gentry's main point to Demps to max out AD potential was his lack of ball handling. As I mention before, Blake Griffin is a great player because he can rebound the ball and bring it up the court and throw off the defense. If he can teach AD to rebound the ball and bring it up and force the defense to rush back. That alone will greatly increase our pace and IMO greatly increase our Points Per Game
Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:35 pm to TigerinATL
I am having a hard time seeing both Asik and Ryno on this team. To much dead money on the bench at the end of games. If we let Asik walk, how much do we have to spend, assuming they re-sign everyone else and EG opts in? Enough to get a good wing and a warm body at the 5? Not Steamer etc.
I feel like Frenchy should benefit from the new system a bunch. Can he give us the 20-25 we need at the 5 per night? I doubt it...but maybe someone has a take on that?
Lastly, the Gentry hire solidifies AD at the 5, especially come playoff time and in crunch time. Pels are going to run. Exciting times for our offense...
I feel like Frenchy should benefit from the new system a bunch. Can he give us the 20-25 we need at the 5 per night? I doubt it...but maybe someone has a take on that?
Lastly, the Gentry hire solidifies AD at the 5, especially come playoff time and in crunch time. Pels are going to run. Exciting times for our offense...
This post was edited on 6/1/15 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:45 pm to Solo
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I am having a hard time seeing both Asik and Ryno on this team. To much dead money on the bench at the end of games.
well to be fair. if we're following the warriors' model, they often close with iggy and bogut on the bench. that's like $26-28M on the bench
Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:50 pm to Solo
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I am having a hard time seeing both Asik and Ryno on this team. To much dead money on the bench at the end of games.
If Asik signs something like 4/$40 declining then in years 3 and 4 that's the equivalent of $6 million dollars in today's cap dollars based on cap increase projections.
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If we let Asik walk, how much do we have to spend, assuming they re-sign everyone else and EG opts in? Enough to get a good wing and a warm body at the 5? Not Steamer etc.
That's the problem, we don't. It frees up about as much space as the MLE, so you might as well keep the MLE and all of your other excpetions like the BAE (Cunningham) and Ajinca's Early Bird Rights. The alternative is using the MLE on a lesser but hopefully comparable enough center and the room exception to keep Cunningham (may not be enough for Ajinca).
Asik/Dante/Ajinca/Gerald Green
vs.
Biyombo/Dante
Letting Asik walk without other significant trades, or finding a way to trade him, just isn't a good direction to go.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:53 pm to TigerinATL
way back when, in the posey era, i would always try to explain to people that you have a very small window where cap space is valuable
once you get rid of cap space, you have to consistently ADD money and that takes skill. you need money to trade for assets. cap room is for rebuilding only
once you get rid of cap space, you have to consistently ADD money and that takes skill. you need money to trade for assets. cap room is for rebuilding only
Posted on 6/1/15 at 1:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:+ David Lee
well to be fair. if we're following the warriors' model, they often close with iggy and bogut on the bench. that's like $26-28M on the bench
Posted on 6/1/15 at 1:12 pm to Solo
asik will be back
anderson is way too tradeable, and on this team, is redundant. not that he's not valuable because he is, but a spot up shooting PF is not a good positional fit. we'll need to replace his shooting yes, but thats all he is giving you
now, if he was a spot up shooting SF, who could guard his position on second units, and shot 40% behind the line, he'd be a whole different fit
anderson is way too tradeable, and on this team, is redundant. not that he's not valuable because he is, but a spot up shooting PF is not a good positional fit. we'll need to replace his shooting yes, but thats all he is giving you
now, if he was a spot up shooting SF, who could guard his position on second units, and shot 40% behind the line, he'd be a whole different fit
Posted on 6/1/15 at 1:24 pm to Smedium27
quote:
But my list of possible 3's are in order:
Draymond
Well, duh. But that isn't happening, so I don't get why he is even in the conversation.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 1:25 pm to LosLobos111
I'd be happy with any of the "likely gets" listed. I didn't realize how old Dunleavy is, but his age shouldn't be a factor in the role he would play on this team.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 1:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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iggy and bogut on the bench. that's like $26-28M
The Warriors have drafted well...which is why they can do that. Exception not the rule.
Looking at ATL's explanation, makes more sense to keep Asik.
If we trade ryno for about 75% of his salary/filler, can we stack that extra money onto the MLE and get a solid wing?
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