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lowe on picking up option for Rivers

Posted on 10/1/14 at 9:27 am
Posted by corndeaux
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 9:27 am
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Rivers, the no. 10 pick and an NBA blue blood, has basically been a disaster; his rookie season was one of the worst ever among guys who actually played real minutes. He improved just about every facet of his game in Year 2, but he still barely cracked 40 percent from the floor, struggled to finish at the rim, bricked away midrange shots opponents happily gave him, and looked off open shooters in favor of wild floaters.

Rivers would earn $3.1 million in 2015-16, about the equivalent of the taxpayer midlevel exception, if the Pellies pick up that option. That doesn’t sound like much, but it could limit New Orleans’s ability to pivot into being a major cap room team if Omer Asik bolts in free agency.

The Pelicans won’t have much cap flexibility as long as they keep Asik’s $12 million cap hold on the books, and they may need to do that in order to keep his Bird Rights — and the right to go over the cap in re-signing him — in a frothy big-man market. They could in theory re-sign him with cap room, but Rivers’s $3.1 million might torpedo that plan. And if Asik jumps ship, Rivers’s option could be the difference between major cap room and sub–$10 million room.

The Pelicans could also stay over the cap, which would put the midlevel exception in play, but they don’t need Rivers’s contract to do that.

In the chaos of LeBron James Day, the Pelicans considered both trading Rivers and waiving him with the stretch provision to make sure they had enough room to complete the Asik deal with Houston. To be clear: Stretching Rivers was an absolute last resort, and New Orleans demanded real assets for him in trade talks, per several league sources.




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Rivers has clear NBA skills, and he piled up some big numbers when Monty Williams unleashed him in New Orleans’s last 10 games. Anthony Davis sat several of those games due to injury, and Rivers had to work in wretched lineups featuring combinations of Al-Farouq Aminu, Jeff Withey, Darius Miller, Luke Babbitt, and Anthony Morrow. But those games had the air of meaningless pickup joints, and the big numbers came with a few nights of inefficient Rivers chucking.

Rivers is a crafty ball handler who can get into the lane, particularly with a vicious right-to-left crossover and Eurostep — it’s just that nothing good happens when he gets there. Rivers isn’t an explosive leaper, and he struggles to finish through rotating big men at the basket. He tries to finish over and around them with crazy floaters and layups, many of which are semi-blind prayers hurled off the backboard. Rivers shot just 48.6 percent from the restricted area last season, the third-worst mark among 119 guards who attempted at least 75 such shots, per NBA.com.

And he sure as hell isn’t passing the ball in there. Rivers assisted on just 19.3 percent of New Orleans’s baskets while on the floor last season, a number we’d expect from a scoring wing with decent passing skills, and not a guy who entered the league with ambitions of playing point guard. Rivers shared a lot of his minutes with Tyreke Evans and Brian Roberts, but he also ran the show a bit, especially toward the end of the season. You could make a fun slideshow of Rivers hoisting hopeless layups while Morrow stands with his arms raised, pleading for the ball, in Rivers’s direct line of sight.

Rivers has also shot horribly from midrange, which is why opponents muck up the Pelicans’ spacing by ducking way under screens on Rivers pick-and-rolls:

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The driving did pay off in one way: Rivers got to the line nearly five times per 36 minutes, a strong number, and a big jump over his rookie season. He’s a pesky on-ball defender with the length to guard wing players, and he very quietly hit 49 percent of his spot-up 3-pointers last season. Rivers doesn’t have gravity off the ball yet — guys sag off him without much worry — but if he keeps shooting the deep ball like that, he’ll (slowly) earn it.

Rivers has passing vision, and he’ll probably start using it more once he finally realizes he’s not the mega-scorer he wishes to be.

This is a really tough call for the Pelicans, especially since the Williams and Rivers families are close.




Bold emphasis mine.
Posted by burdman
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 9:30 am to
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Bold emphasis mine.


Well placed.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 9:51 am to
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once he finally realizes he’s not the mega-scorer he wishes to be.


I don't remember if it was Lowe or someone else, but their prediction for Rivers a few years ago was once he figures this out and starts playing within himself then he'll become the solid bench combo guard he is, which is all we need him to be.
Posted by TotesMcGotes
New York, New York
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 9:55 am to
I don't see it as a tough decision at all from a basketball standpoint. Personally? Yea it may be difficult, but I think the Rivers family of all families would understand.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:02 am to
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I don't see it as a tough decision at all from a basketball standpoint.


I think it's a tough decision just because they make you pick up the option a year in advance. If the deadline was next June instead of this October 31st, then you have all of the information you need to make the decision easy.
Posted by TotesMcGotes
New York, New York
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:05 am to
He's been really bad to mediocre for two years. Maybe he makes some leap, but I don't see that happening.

I think more things can go wrong by picking up his option than things that can go right.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:17 am to
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don't see it as a tough decision at all from a basketball standpoint.


I tend to agree. He's shown nothing that indicates he can be a quality player as a primary ball handler. Same time, what Rivers can do (willing on ball defense, spot up 3s) is a great fit for this roster.

I would like to see him off ball more allowing him to attack off reversals and working on his passing when he penetrates. He's an accessory, not a feature regardless of draft position or schoolboy hype
Posted by cgrand
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Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 1:42 pm to
rivers will get the aminu treatment
decline option, sign 1 yr deal
after that it's up to him
there is no upside to picking up his option because he has no value around the league as of yet
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 2:33 pm to
He certainly hasn't shown enough to warrant that kind of offer yet. Is his ceiling even high enough at this point to take a flier on him?
Posted by danman6336
Member since Jan 2005
19439 posts
Posted on 10/1/14 at 2:48 pm to
Unless you looks really good this year we definitely need to cut our loses with this dude and go in a different direction after this season

Hopefully Monty doesn't make Dell draft anymore of his BFF's children in the future
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 2:50 pm to
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Hopefully Monty doesn't make Dell draft anymore of his BFF's children in the future



I don't think Monty can make Dell draft anyone. Furthermore, I've seen nothing more than fan speculation to support the assertion that Monty even pushed to draft Rivers.

Are you going to blame Monty if you don't like the new court design, too?
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
24832 posts
Posted on 10/1/14 at 3:36 pm to
if we moved EG before the deadline, wouldn't it solve all of these problems and add possible assets?
Posted by danman6336
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 3:42 pm to
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Are you going to blame Monty if you don't like the new court design, too?
Probably

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Furthermore, I've seen nothing more than fan speculation to support the assertion that Monty even pushed to draft Rivers.
oh bullshite

Rivers was Monty's boy from the start and everyone knows it. And it's not like the head coach wouldn't have significant input on the decision made for drafting a player. You're acting like it was all 100% Dell's call, which is silly.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 3:44 pm to
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if we moved EG before the deadline, wouldn't it solve all of these problems and add possible assets?


Not necessarily. If you move Gordon for expirings and keep Asik and his $12 million hold, having Rivers on the books gives you about $12 million in cap space (assuming a $67 million cap). That's a decent amount cap space, but if you want to throw a max at a RFA like Jimmy Butler and hope Chicago doesn't match, Rivers contract would keep you from doing that.

There are only 2 potential downsides to not picking up Rivers' option. 1) He has a breakout year and you lose him because you sign a starter, kind of like how Morrow was a casualty of getting Asik. 2) It effects him mentally and he doesn't become a productive player. Those are negligible concerns, so it really does seem like a no brainer to not pick up his option.
This post was edited on 10/1/14 at 3:46 pm
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 5:32 pm to
Thanks for the reply. I dunno where I read it, but there was an article out there that basically said moving EG would give us the ability to lock up Asik, Rivers, and the flexibility to keep Ryno.

I take that over adding another guy, imo.
Posted by SirWinston
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Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 4:17 am to
Zach Lowe is such a great writer.
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 7:02 am to
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Are you going to blame Monty if you don't like the new court design, too?
Probably


Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 7:24 am to
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Thanks for the reply. I dunno where I read it, but there was an article out there that basically said moving EG would give us the ability to lock up Asik, Rivers, and the flexibility to keep Ryno.


We don't need Gordon gone to lock up Asik or Ryno, and Rivers is replaceable.

Unless you sign and trade Gordon to somebody, you are quite possibly limiting your available payroll for solid players. Gordon is a solid to good player whether posters on this board believe it or not. The problem is that we are coming up on significant changes to the salary cap, but we won't know what they are until after we tie ourselves in.
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 7:31 am to
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Gordon is a solid to good player whether posters on this board believe it or not.


I thought last year was going to be a real turning point for Gordon. And while it was an improvement, he didn't set the world on fire. But, honestly, if he can stay relatively healthy, I think he could have a terrific season this year.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 7:34 am to
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I thought last year was going to be a real turning point for Gordon. And while it was an improvement, he didn't set the world on fire. But, honestly, if he can stay relatively healthy, I think he could have a terrific season this year.


It seemed at times like he was overcompensating on sharing the ball. In reality, he needs to be fairly selfish to get his. It seems like with all that's happened, he's kind of lost his mojo out there. Hopefully we see him get it back this year.
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