Lowe/Arnovitz on Thibs and the Pels...

ATL already posted it but yeah good listen.

I think he's the "safest" option, there really isn't any risk with him. It's one of the main reasons that I want him.

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I wonder, though, whether he's really the best choice .

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I agree.

Here are a few tings that bother me:
1. None of the players, other than Rose, have really given Thibs their endorsement. Are they ready to move on because of the workload and the sideline antics? If they are, the same thing will happen here and it's hard enough to recruit FA here without throwing more crap into the mix.

2. He seems to have an arrogant way that rubs people the wrong way. That's great as long as you're winning, but will destroy a team if you're not. It's almost like Thibs is channeling Popovich, but he doesn't have the skins on the wall to justify the persona.

3. Hiring Thibs will almost certainly mean Demps gets his pink slip and I certainly don't have a problem with that, but anyone who thinks Loomis is going anywhere is crazy. At some level, Loomis is going to be involved in the decision making. Are we asking for another Thibs vs. Paxson situation?
If that happens, I'm giving a 100 to 1 odds on Loomis.

4. I don't think Thibs wants to be in a small market. He turned us down once to go to Chicago. Yeah, I know all of the reasons why, namely that they had Rose and a better roster, but I think it's more that he wants the bright lights of the big city. If that's the case, he may well sit out a year and see what happens with Scott and the Lakers. The Chicago papers are now throwing this idea into the mix and it has to be coming from somewhere.

5. There is no question that Thibs needs help on the offensive side of the ball and it appears he's the only one who doesn't believe this. His great defensive mind will keep you in a game but will make it difficult to win a championship. He has refused to hire someone to call offensive plays for the Bulls; what makes you think things will be different here.

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Hiring Thibs will almost certainly mean Demps gets his pink slip and I certainly don't have a problem with that,

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Why would demps go?

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I don't think Thibs wants to be in a small market. He turned us down once to go to Chicago. Yeah, I know all of the reasons why, namely that they had Rose and a better roster, but I think it's more that he wants the bright lights of the big city. If that's the case, he may well sit out a year and see what happens with Scott and the Lakers. The Chicago papers are now throwing this idea into the mix and it has to be coming from somewhere.

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That just seems like speculating with no concrete proof. Why would there be interest in Orlando too?

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There is no question that Thibs needs help on the offensive side of the ball and it appears he's the only one who doesn't believe this. His great defensive mind will keep you in a game but will make it difficult to win a championship. He has refused to hire someone to call offensive plays for the Bulls; what makes you think things will be different here.

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This team has more offensive talent than the bulls.

His O rating has been pretty good outside the Deng #1 option year and injuries.

I also heard he wasn't allowed to bring in who he wanted from somewhere and the bulls ownership is somewhat cheap considering it's the bulls.

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According to everything I've heard and read says Thibs wants control over all hires and player decisions.

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Link? I've looked and haven't heard of this.

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How does this statement respond to what I wrote? Do we have more offensive talent than Chicago? Maybe we do, but that doesn't mean Thibs can come up with plays to utilize them.

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This team (IMO) is talented enough offensively to be successful no matter what. His defense will lead to offense in transistion(which we thrive in).

Having a talent like AD could change things big time for him.

Maybe he can actually get assistants he wants and not deal with a notoriously cheap owner that fires them. Benson will get him whomever he pleases.

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Link? I've looked and haven't heard of this.

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There's no way Thibs has publicly stated he wants control because he isn't going to do a damn thing to jeopardize the $9M remaining on his contract. Considering the situation he has in Chicago with Paxson and Forman, demanding control will be an issue....common sense tells you that.

As for links, here ya go:

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As ESPN’s Brian Windhorst pointed out on the air on Thursday, Thibodeau will likely want front-office control at his next stop, similar to what Doc Rivers has with the L.A. Clippers and Stan Van Gundy has with the Detroit Pistons.

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Orlando would certainly be interested in Thibodeau if he became available, but the question is - given the clashes Thibodeau has had with Chicago's front office - whether Thibodeau would be willing to accept a new job that doesn't give him personnel control.

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You don't need Brian Windhorst to tell you that a coach like Thibs is going to want control; again, it's common sense.

Did the FO fire his long time friend and asst. coach? Yes. The question is: Why? We don't know the real reasons. I find it hard to believe Paxson/Forman just did for shits and giggles.

Hey, I'll take Thibs because I'm pretty sure he's better than what we had. I'm not one of those people who thinks he's the second coming of Popovich.

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Thibs is a good coach but Pops is the best coach ever.

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I don't know about "ever", but he's certainly right up there.

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Little off topic, but did anyone hear the Jeff Van Gundy podcast with Lowe? What an embarrassment Van Gundy was. Props to Lowe for standing his ground in his own way, and not just letting Van Gundy say incredibly dumb things without being called out.

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It was really pathetic. He was basically saying that coaches don't have an effect on the play of players on the team. He even went as far to say that if the rosters of the Thunder and Pels don't change, the team's wouldn't be any better with new coaches. I'm not sure he even realized how much he was minimizing the role of coaches.