re: Lineup for 2016

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Are you really comparing Buddy to any of those names

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what's wrong about it?

are you implying that hield isn't really a plus talent like those guys?

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It all comes down to whether you think Hiled can create his own at an above avg NBA level. I do not. I think he is a year or two away from being average at that, at best.

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the way he shoots, it makes it a lot easier to be able to create his own shot. A lot of people didnt think Curry would be able to, or even a guy like McCollum(i know it took him a few years, but could have just been lack of opportunity). With a little craftiness he will be ok in that area.

ballhandling/driving/creation is the one area he needs major improvement in

that way he'll be able to take advantage of that insane FT%

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he should be a 14-16 ppg guy or else this staff is dumb

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kind of my feeling, but maybe a notch lower (like 12-14 ppg)

there is no reason he shouldn't get 4-5 open threes a game in our offense

add in a few midrange jumpers and a couple FTs and it's not that difficult to imagine

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College and NBA game used to be much more similar.

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somewhat irrelevant b/c it's not about "the game"

it's about talent and body maturation with age. when you're 22-23 you're hitting the initial peak of development

so high talent guys coming in at 21-22 were much closer to their peaks early on

now those guys almost never stay 3-4 years so your 21-22 year olds these days are of much lesser talent

steph curry is pretty much the outlier in terms of guards making huge jumps later in career, and he put up 17.5 ppg as a rookie

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His numbers were great this year in college but my thing is college basketball players are not as good today as they were when those guys were playing in college so his numbers are not equal to those guys because the level of talent he was going against compared to them

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so he's not that good of a prospect?

If you're talking defense, which we are with Hield, it is most certainly about the game.

I agree that Hield is a lesser talent. If you can't come out at 19/20, then there is a talent deficit relative to other NBA players.

Same time, I believe the old developmental timeline is a bit outdated. It's years in the league, not age. Certainly body and mind maturation matters, but after 4 years in the NBA, you generally are who you are. Whether that's 22 or 26.

And you develop much better, in the aggregate, coming to the NBA earlier IMO. Some chicken/egg to that (if you're good enough to come out early etc).

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I think, per usual, people are setting themselves up for disappointment.

Outliers occur, but the norm happens far more often because...well, it's the norm.

He will be a good player, but we all agree that he (like all rookies) will be a minus on the defensive end in year 1. Offensively, no non shot creator has put up significant points on a quality (40 or more wins) team in a long time

If he puts up the stats some of you are expecting, it is only because major injuries occurred. Personally, I think it will be better for him and for the team, if he had a quieter rookie year

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I think, per usual, people are setting themselves up for disappointment.

Outliers occur, but the norm happens far more often because...well, it's the norm.

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then you're basically shitting on the draft pick