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Posted on 7/4/16 at 9:52 am to Crewz
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Jrue-Moore-QPon-Hill-AD
This is the lineup I'm most looking forward to.
Posted on 7/4/16 at 9:53 am to Fun Bunch
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I don't think he will have the defensive acumen day 1 to close out a lot of games.
it will be very frustrating to watch an old rookie sit on the bench b/c of something like this
the whole justification for drafting old guys is they're supposed to be ready to play from day 1
Posted on 7/4/16 at 9:57 am to SlowFlowPro
That might be true but it often isn't reality. His body and attitude and work ethic are NBA ready, for the most part. It's the nuances, experience, and grind that takes time. Giving a rookie, even an "old one", a few months or even a season to get it is fine.
I wouldn't put it past him to light it up day 1 though.
I wouldn't put it past him to light it up day 1 though.
Posted on 7/4/16 at 10:03 am to Fun Bunch
Honestly the more I think about it i do wonder how Hield's game to game perpetration will shift and how that may affect him.
In college he said he would spend hours prior to a game in shoot around to get himself feeling right. It's one thing in a 29 game regular season but you have to wonder what it will look like for him when he starts hitting game 50 in the NBA and he still has a whole college season worth of games still to come. For a guy that goes so hard game to game and in prep time I do wonder if the grind of the season may end up affecting him even more then usual for rookies.
Just a passing thought.
In college he said he would spend hours prior to a game in shoot around to get himself feeling right. It's one thing in a 29 game regular season but you have to wonder what it will look like for him when he starts hitting game 50 in the NBA and he still has a whole college season worth of games still to come. For a guy that goes so hard game to game and in prep time I do wonder if the grind of the season may end up affecting him even more then usual for rookies.
Just a passing thought.
This post was edited on 7/4/16 at 10:04 am
Posted on 7/4/16 at 10:04 am to SlowFlowPro
"Old Rookies" from the past few years
Frank Kaminsky - 21 mpg, 7.5 pts
Jerian Grant - 16.6 mpg, 5.6 pts
Delon Wright - 8.5 mpg, 3.8 pts
Doug McDermott- 8.9 mpg 3.0 pts
Adreien Payne - 749 total minutes played, 6.7 pts
CJ McCollum - 12.5 mpg, 5.3 pts
I can go on and on and on, but those are the last 6 highly drafted seniors and their rookie numbers. None of them played a ton, and none were better than the vets on their teams - even the marginally talented ones.
It takes a while, whether you are 19 or 22, to being a real contributor in the league. Again, you can put up numbers, but only if your team stinks and you are becoming a volume guy. If Hield is putting up 15 per game, its because the injury bug hit again and Hield is forced to jack up shots. I don't want that.
Frank Kaminsky - 21 mpg, 7.5 pts
Jerian Grant - 16.6 mpg, 5.6 pts
Delon Wright - 8.5 mpg, 3.8 pts
Doug McDermott- 8.9 mpg 3.0 pts
Adreien Payne - 749 total minutes played, 6.7 pts
CJ McCollum - 12.5 mpg, 5.3 pts
I can go on and on and on, but those are the last 6 highly drafted seniors and their rookie numbers. None of them played a ton, and none were better than the vets on their teams - even the marginally talented ones.
It takes a while, whether you are 19 or 22, to being a real contributor in the league. Again, you can put up numbers, but only if your team stinks and you are becoming a volume guy. If Hield is putting up 15 per game, its because the injury bug hit again and Hield is forced to jack up shots. I don't want that.
Posted on 7/4/16 at 10:07 am to Crewz
Why not compare Hield to the player probably most similiar to him out of that group... Lillard?
Posted on 7/4/16 at 10:10 am to SlowFlowPro
Who was the last old rookie to come in ready? Chandler Parsons?
The idea that Hield is a "win now" player is nuts. No rookie is a "win now" player. Even older Euro guys struggle to adjust
Doesnt mean Hield can't help, but his acknowledged weakness is on defense. If you're a minus defender in college, you're going to be a minus defender as an NBA rookie. Don't care if you're 18, 22, or 27.
The idea that Hield is a "win now" player is nuts. No rookie is a "win now" player. Even older Euro guys struggle to adjust
Doesnt mean Hield can't help, but his acknowledged weakness is on defense. If you're a minus defender in college, you're going to be a minus defender as an NBA rookie. Don't care if you're 18, 22, or 27.
Posted on 7/4/16 at 10:12 am to tgr4ever
Is he the most similar, or is he the guy you want to compare him to because it would be a good thing for your team?
Lillard could create his own shot at a high level from Day 1. Hield is at least a year or two away from being a shot creator. He will be a great spot up guy and great in transition, but every time he puts the ball on the floor and goes into the paint, I guarantee 99 percent of this board will cringe. He turned the ball over at a high level doing that in college, and guys are bigger, longer, and faster in the pros.
It's gonna take him a while, even though people don't want to hear that. He will start and he will hit jumpers, but he won't do one other thing at an average to above average thing his rookie year. Just the way it is. But if he eventually becomes McCollum, with slightly better D, in year 3, will people be upset?
Lillard could create his own shot at a high level from Day 1. Hield is at least a year or two away from being a shot creator. He will be a great spot up guy and great in transition, but every time he puts the ball on the floor and goes into the paint, I guarantee 99 percent of this board will cringe. He turned the ball over at a high level doing that in college, and guys are bigger, longer, and faster in the pros.
It's gonna take him a while, even though people don't want to hear that. He will start and he will hit jumpers, but he won't do one other thing at an average to above average thing his rookie year. Just the way it is. But if he eventually becomes McCollum, with slightly better D, in year 3, will people be upset?
Posted on 7/4/16 at 10:13 am to Crewz
quote:
"Old Rookies" from the past few years
Frank Kaminsky - 21 mpg, 7.5 pts
Jerian Grant - 16.6 mpg, 5.6 pts
Delon Wright - 8.5 mpg, 3.8 pts
Doug McDermott- 8.9 mpg 3.0 pts
Adreien Payne - 749 total minutes played, 6.7 pts
CJ McCollum - 12.5 mpg, 5.3 pts
I can go on and on and on, but those are the last 6 highly drafted seniors and their rookie numbers. None of them played a ton, and none were better than the vets on their teams - even the marginally talented ones.
It takes a while, whether you are 19 or 22, to being a real contributor in the league. Again, you can put up numbers, but only if your team stinks and you are becoming a volume guy. If Hield is putting up 15 per game, its because the injury bug hit again and Hield is forced to jack up shots. I don't want that.
so predict Hield's stats for us
Posted on 7/4/16 at 10:15 am to Lester Earl
11/2/2 22mpg 43%fg and 38% 3pt fg
Posted on 7/4/16 at 10:16 am to Lester Earl
If the team has relative health, I would say
29mpg
12.4 pts
3.5 rebs
1.5 assists
43 FG%
38 3pt%
I think this franchise forces him on the court more than it should because they need to excite the fanbase and a ROY could give them some national exposure. I think he will play okay, but I think the Moore lineups will have better net ratings. But, of course, I think Hield is the much better player by year 3, and maybe year 2 because of how hard I know he will work
29mpg
12.4 pts
3.5 rebs
1.5 assists
43 FG%
38 3pt%
I think this franchise forces him on the court more than it should because they need to excite the fanbase and a ROY could give them some national exposure. I think he will play okay, but I think the Moore lineups will have better net ratings. But, of course, I think Hield is the much better player by year 3, and maybe year 2 because of how hard I know he will work
Posted on 7/4/16 at 10:18 am to Crewz
Where does the team see Davis as a facilitator this year? They expecting a leap from him there?
Posted on 7/4/16 at 10:19 am to 504ByrdGang
Yea you have to think he's going to only be a 3 point shooter this year until he learns new ways to get his shot off so I just can't him averaging more then 12 a game this year
Posted on 7/4/16 at 10:19 am to corndeaux
They think that more space will open up more lanes for him to both drive and pass, so yes, he should take a big step there.
Posted on 7/4/16 at 10:19 am to Lester Earl
other 22 yr old rookie seasons for comparison.
Lillard 19ppg
Steve Francis 18pp
Kerry Kittles 16ppg
Damon Stoudimire 19ppg
Penny Hardaway 16ppg
Michael Finley 15ppg
Caron Butler 15ppg
DWade 16ppg
Brandon Roy 16ppg
Vince Carter 18ppg
Lillard 19ppg
Steve Francis 18pp
Kerry Kittles 16ppg
Damon Stoudimire 19ppg
Penny Hardaway 16ppg
Michael Finley 15ppg
Caron Butler 15ppg
DWade 16ppg
Brandon Roy 16ppg
Vince Carter 18ppg
Posted on 7/4/16 at 10:21 am to Lester Earl
Are you really comparing Buddy to any of those names
Posted on 7/4/16 at 10:23 am to Lester Earl
So, Lillards the only super productive one is the last 10 years. Also, he was on a losing team.
Look, its possible that he blows up, but looking at that list, I see a lot of guys who can create their own shot and/or ultra athletic guys who could finish in transition and had a great PG.
It all comes down to whether you think Hiled can create his own at an above avg NBA level. I do not. I think he is a year or two away from being average at that, at best. You look at guards and wings who were dependent on others to create for them, and you won't find a ton of guys who put up big numbers right away
Look, its possible that he blows up, but looking at that list, I see a lot of guys who can create their own shot and/or ultra athletic guys who could finish in transition and had a great PG.
It all comes down to whether you think Hiled can create his own at an above avg NBA level. I do not. I think he is a year or two away from being average at that, at best. You look at guards and wings who were dependent on others to create for them, and you won't find a ton of guys who put up big numbers right away
Posted on 7/4/16 at 10:23 am to Crewz
If he makes a leap there (hoping space and a year in the offense helps) that lineup you posted is very interesting.
Still a bottom rung playoff team, if that, but I like the idea there much more than what we've seen the last few years
Still a bottom rung playoff team, if that, but I like the idea there much more than what we've seen the last few years
Posted on 7/4/16 at 10:23 am to Crewz
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It takes a while, whether you are 19 or 22, to being a real contributor in the league.
it didn't used to, especially for the elite
now you'll say the elite used to stay for 3-4 years and i agree. that leaves a major question as to hield's potential going forward
this argument slices 2 ways
as for the guys you listed:
Kaminksy: big man with athleticism issues. if hield is frank the tank, then we're in trouble
Grant: drafted 19th. not really comparable. already traded once
Wright: drafted 20th. not really comparable.
McDermott: if Hield is dougie mcbuckets, then we're in trouble
Payne: drafted 15th. not really comparable. also a big man
McCollum: came from a small school and got hurt. also he was written off (see: acquisition of afflalo)
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