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Let's the discuss the severity of AD's injuries/upcoming surgery and his future
Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:53 pm
I think these procedures that he's having on his shoulder and knee are more severe and serous than the Pels (shocker) would have us to believe. Us fans as a whole seem to just think that it's going to be an ordinary procedure and he'll be back healthy in several months or so...but anytime a knee is involved it's scary. Some athletes have never been the same after having a knee procedure done. And it's not unreasonable to think that AD will lose a little bit of bounce/athleticism as a result of the surgery. I know that medicine today is very advanced, but let's hope and pray that AD recovers well and that he grows stronger and comes back a better player as a result.
The point I'm making is for us all to just keep in mind that what AD is undergoing is not a "minor" cleanup procedure that our magnificent front office and medical staff wants us all to think. This might be something that will take AD time (and I mean half a year if not longer) to fully recover from.
Get back AD
The point I'm making is for us all to just keep in mind that what AD is undergoing is not a "minor" cleanup procedure that our magnificent front office and medical staff wants us all to think. This might be something that will take AD time (and I mean half a year if not longer) to fully recover from.
Get back AD
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Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:58 pm to oncealurker
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I think these procedures that he's having on his shoulder and knee are more severe and serous than the Pels
Any evidence whatsoever to back this up?
It sounds like the shoulder isn't that big of a deal.
The knee we know next to nothing about though. That is a concern.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 3:07 pm to oncealurker
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The point I'm making is for us all to just keep in mind that what AD is undergoing is not a "minor" cleanup procedure that our magnificent front office and medical staff wants us all to think
Unless the knee is a microfracture surgery then I don't think AD will lose any athleticism. The knee is probably an MCL or meniscus injury so shouldn't be a big deal. The shoulder is his non-shooting arm, but ti is what will really take time to rehab. I think you have to wait 2-3 months afetr labral surgery before the re-strengthening can even begin.
ETA - I think the knee required surgery that would end his season and since he shut it down 3 weeks early he has time to get the labrum surgery done and be rehabbed in time for training camp next year.
This post was edited on 3/22/16 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 3/22/16 at 3:26 pm to oncealurker
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I think these procedures that he's having on his shoulder and knee are more severe and serous than the Pels (shocker) would have us to believe.
Well if you say so I'm sold. Why should we believe the team and AD himself when oncealurker is providing his expert medical opinion that both surgeries are severe AND "serous."
Posted on 3/22/16 at 3:37 pm to NOFOX
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It turns out Davis has tendinosis, chronic tendon pain in his left knee. It will require an offseason procedure — Davis will know more about the specifics after he sees a specialist in Los Angeles soon — and a recovery period that Davis has been told will last “four or five months.”
Davis will take advantage of that downtime to take care of a shoulder injury that’s been lingering since his rookie year.
LINK
I've never heard of Tendinosis before so I looked it up on WebMD and found this article on it. LINK If this Jumper's Knee version is the same one AD has, there are 4 stages, and once you get to stage 3 you're supposed to rest for 3-6 weeks. If you make it to stage 4, which I guess AD has, you need surgery. Now I suppose he could have done something to escalate from stage 1 to stage 4 without notice, but if this is a condition that could have been treated with rest but they decided to risk continuing to play and now he needs season ending surgery...I just don't have enough casties for this team.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 3:47 pm to TigerinATL
I hope AD is smart enough to not let any Dr's associated with the Pelicans have anything to do with any surgeries or rehab.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 3:51 pm to TigerinATL
This is from HP.com. Writer says he is a certified athletic trainer
LINK
Probably about as much as we'll ever know and, even then, he's still making very educated guesses.
LINK
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Based on Davis’s injury history, he likely is dealing with a Bankart lesion that is chronic in nature.
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It is possible that the Pelicans evaluated Davis’s labral tear on MRI and deemed it able to be treated conservatively, and did so. Less extensive labral tears can be asymptomatic, especially in young, athletic patients, so it’s not necessarily a surprise that Davis was able to rehab from the injury and regain normal function of his shoulder, enough that he could play with it
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The issue now is that through some mechanism, the tear has gotten worse, to the point that it’s either giving Davis constant pain or feeling of instability. It’s not a guarantee that this will happen, but it is a possibility, and that’s likely what has occurred for Davis. That doesn’t make the decision to treat conservatively a bad one
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However, the Pelicans do appear to have made an acceptable decision in their care of Davis, and unless news comes out to the contrary, this appears to be more an unfortunate setback than true mishandling of Davis’s injury. There also should not be much worry regarding the money New Orleans has committed to Davis, because it’s likely Davis is able to make a full recovery, and this should also address the other shoulder issues Davis has had throughout his career.
Probably about as much as we'll ever know and, even then, he's still making very educated guesses.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 4:02 pm to corndeaux
Yeah, I don't find the torn labrum that big of a deal other than being part of a larger pattern. Especially if the Tendinosis was a gradual condition that they rolled the dice on not getting worse, that's the thing that is worth getting upset about. And everyone is saying fire the doctors, for all we know the doctors told the team they needed to rest AD. We have seen this team willfully ignore medical advice with multiple players, and all of the season ending surgeries this year appear to be similar in that the players shouldn't have been playing. Was the team told to rest players and ignored medical advice again? TBW guys are getting cute on twitter today with "What terrible package would Demps trade our next 2 1sts for", but InjuryGate is Demps' biggest mark against him IMO.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 4:04 pm to TigerinATL
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Yeah, I don't find the torn labrum that big of a deal other than being part of a larger pattern. Especially if the Tendinosis was a gradual condition that they rolled the dice on not getting worse, that's the thing that is worth getting upset about. And everyone is saying fire the doctors, for all we know the doctors told the team they needed to rest AD. We have seen this team willfully ignore medical advice with multiple players, and all of the season ending surgeries this year appear to be similar in that the players shouldn't have been playing. Was the team told to rest players and ignored medical advice again? TBW guys are getting cute on twitter today with "What terrible package would Demps trade our next 2 1sts for", but InjuryGate is Demps' biggest mark against him IMO.
You think we have two coaching staffs that did that though?
Also, wasn't Gordon's knee misdiagnosed initially by Hornets doctors?
Posted on 3/22/16 at 4:16 pm to TigerinATL
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don't find the torn labrum that big of a deal other than being part of a larger pattern
Yeah. A very disturbing pattern. And anytime your star can be quoted as having a torn labrum for 3 years, you have failed at PR.
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InjuryGate is Demps' biggest mark against him IMO.
Without a doubt. Every gm misses on players and trades; most pay for those misses with their jobs. Few run teams that willfully ignore doctor's recommendations or let players play on bad wheels without at least diagnosing the issue.
We can talk about small market, winning, or whatever, but many players won't willingly go to organizations they don't trust will take care of them.
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TBW guys are getting cute on twitter today with "What terrible package would Demps trade our next 2 1sts for",
The same guys who were shouting down anyone and everyone who dared to question the moves Demps was making 2-3 years ago?
Posted on 3/22/16 at 4:19 pm to TigerinATL
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It turns out Davis has tendinosis, chronic tendon pain in his left knee. It will require an offseason procedure — Davis will know more about the specifics after he sees a specialist in Los Angeles soon — and a recovery period that Davis has been told will last “four or five months.”
Well shite. That is a lot more concerning. I don't think AD got to stage 4 given the description from that link as a full patellar tear would have been much more painful I would assume (think Ryan Williams, Victor Cruz recently in NFL). So I would assume he is at stage 3, but electing for surgery which sucks nonetheless.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 4:29 pm to NOFOX
Trade him and whatever else we have to for KAT
Posted on 3/22/16 at 4:32 pm to NOFOX
Yeah I just don't see why this is being made to be "not a big deal." Our superstar is having surgeries on his knee and shoulder. Am I freaking out? No, I believe that he will be fine. Am I somewhat concerned? Well based on the history of our medical staff, I would say so.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 4:40 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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You think we have two coaching staffs that did that though?
I don't know what to think. With AD we are now up to 4 players who had season ending surgery when it's possible more rest may have prevented that from being necessary. Did Gentry stick to Jrue's minutes restriction early in the year because he wanted to manage Jrue's injury properly, or because the very first time he stepped out of line the Pelicans blogosphere piped up with criticism?
All we have are catastrophically bad results mixed with reports of organizational malfeasance. Maybe everyone needs to be fired, but something has got to change and we have evidence telling us changing doctors and trainers may not be sufficient.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 4:40 pm to oncealurker
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Yeah I just don't see why this is being made to be "not a big deal." Our superstar is having surgeries on his knee and shoulder. Am I freaking out? No, I believe that he will be fine. Am I somewhat concerned? Well based on the history of our medical staff, I would say so.
Two things: Modern sports medicine is pretty outstanding and there was not much released on the knee. I don't think the labral tear is a big deal especially being to his non-shooting arm, but the knee is more concerning now. Blake Griffin, Kyrie, and Wall have all had patella breaks and come back, so I assume that AD will too. However I don't like to hear this is a chronic issue and can have lasting effects. Hopefully we will get some more info on the knee procedure soon.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 4:54 pm to TigerinATL
quote:Lol what the frick? The Pelicans and Jrue's trainer in LA were working very closely to manage his minutes. I guarantee you Jrue's trainer let the Pelicans know that they should be more careful and not some shitty blog that nobody in the Pelicans organization cares about.
or because the very first time he stepped out of line the Pelicans blogosphere piped up with criticism?
Posted on 3/22/16 at 5:03 pm to tgr4ever
quote:SOLD!
Trade him and whatever else we have to for KAT
Posted on 3/22/16 at 5:59 pm to tgr4ever
I think people are naive to think that players like AD are only attended to or advised by team doctors at any time an issue arises.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 9:45 pm to VOR
Is this the same knee that CP3 injured earlier in the year by taking a deliberate sidestep in transition?
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